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    Dr. Immordino-Yang: How Emotions & Social Factors Impact Learning

    Instead of focusing solely on performance, the education system should cultivate curiosity and a love for learning in children from a young age. By invoking emotions and appreciation for learning, children can discover and explore new concepts in their own way.

    enJune 05, 2023

    About this Episode

    In this episode, my guest is Mary Helen Immordino-Yang, EdD, professor of education, psychology and neuroscience at the University of Southern California and director of the Center for Affective Neuroscience, Development, Learning and Education, who has done groundbreaking research on emotions, self-awareness and social interactions and how these impact the way we learn and change across our lifespan. She explains how an understanding of emotions can be leveraged to improve learning in children and in adults, and how the education system should be altered to include new forms of exploration and to facilitate better learning and to include more diverse learning (and teaching) styles. This episode ought to be of interest to anyone interested in how we learn, human development in children and adults, as well as those generally interested in education, psychology or neuroscience. For the full show notes, visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Waking Up: https://www.wakingup.com/huberman Momentous: https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman The Brain Body Contract https://hubermanlab.com/tour Timestamps (00:00:00) Dr. Mary Helen Immordino-Yang (00:02:27) Sponsors: LMNT & Waking Up (00:05:54) Inspiration, Awe & Story (00:09:59) Brain-Body, Narratives (00:15:58) Emotions, Durability & Lifespan (00:21:47) Conjuring Stories, Historical Context & Emotion (00:28:53) Sponsor: AG1 (00:33:30) Hierarchal Emotion Organization, Default Mode Network, Story & Emotion (00:46:24) Emotional Development & Lifetime (00:57:13) Narrative & Genocide; Checking Assumptions & Mental Flexibility (01:05:22) Social Media, Cognitive Dissonance (01:09:52) Education, Deconstructing Beliefs & Curiosity (01:18:32) Emotion & Learning; Constructing Meaning (01:28:59) Good Teachers & Curiosity (01:33:25) Inter-disciplinary Education; Development & Culture (01:50:58) Idea Exploration, Tolerance (01:56:53) Reframing Education, Deconstructing Assumptions (02:03:28) Safety, Creativity & Default Mode Network (02:12:15) Civic Discourse & Education; Deconstructing Ideas (02:27:31) “Mirror” Neurons, Shared Social Experiences (02:35:49) Cold Exposure & Sickness; Role of Education (02:38:51) Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac Disclaimer

    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Understanding the impact of emotions on learning can guide us towards effective learning. Stories, particularly children's stories with ongoing challenges, can evoke sensations in the body and offer intellectual understanding, creating an expansive and fundamental high-level state that makes us conscious and alive.
    • Our brain's ability to regulate our body and the conversation between them shapes our consciousness, mental states, and emotional experiences. Embodiment and social interactions are crucial in constructing our sense of self and meaning.
    • Our early experiences shape our ability to recognize and conceptualize powerful emotions such as love. By understanding how emotions are experienced and processed, we can better navigate relationships and adapt to various situations.
    • Our physiological attachment, aversion, and motivation evolve into mental states like beliefs and emotions. Social stimuli can evoke feelings like compassion and admiration that scientists study in MRI scanners to understand the world.
    • Our complex emotions are rooted in our ability to experience the world physiologically, but stories and narratives play a fundamental role in their development, building the foundation for our beliefs, values, and identities.
    • Adding context and narrative to emotions activates specific regions of the brain, including the default mode network, leading to a more immersive and meaningful experience of emotions through storytelling.
    • Our brain's processing is influenced by complex stories that involve contextual knowledge, leading to ethical interpretations and a deeper sense of self-awareness. Such experiences go beyond valence, inspiring action and hope for humanity.
    • Our interpretation of emotions is subjective and shaped by personal experiences. Understanding these differences can help us appreciate the vast emotional palettes of human beings.
    • Our experiences and cultural values shape the way we interpret the world and even our emotions, and we actively impose our own interpretations onto the world around us. Although new emotions may not occur after age 15, our interpretations and experiences continue to shape our perceptions of complex social stories.
    • By questioning our own motivations, engaging with different perspectives, and deconstructing our assumptions, we can protect ourselves from committing heinous acts like genocide. However, our biases reinforced by social media and education systems can prevent this.
    • Our emotions drive our actions and beliefs, but we must approach them with critical thinking and curiosity. By engaging with diverse perspectives and questioning our own biases, we can better understand the world and each other amidst the divisiveness of social media.
    • Shift the focus of education from just learning outcomes to nurturing critical thinking skills through multidisciplinary exploration and engagement with complex perspectives. Parents can also play a vital role in encouraging systematic engagement with complex ideas from an early age.
    • Instead of focusing solely on performance, the education system should cultivate curiosity and a love for learning in children from a young age. By invoking emotions and appreciation for learning, children can discover and explore new concepts in their own way.
    • Students' emotions impact their learning. Educators need to create problem spaces that pique students' curiosity and are meaningful to them to foster a desire to learn and problem-solve, rather than just achieve grades.
    • Adults must encourage and provide a safe environment for young people to explore and question complex issues, and recognize that failure in the system does not indicate a child's shortcomings. Intellectual growth should be facilitated effectively.
    • Teaching others can ignite the learner's brain, and a holistic learning approach incorporating emotional engagement and active experiences can ignite students' passions and curiosity.
    • Learning and personal growth can be achieved through hands-on experiences and exposure to varied cultures. Pursuing interests outside formal education can lead to new paths and a fulfilling career.
    • An interdisciplinary approach in teaching science can help students better understand their origin story and place in the world. Teachers must be equipped to integrate domains of science and promote hands-on learning, questioning, and discussion among students to achieve better outcomes. Collaboration among teachers with diverse backgrounds, perspectives, and cultures can also aid in achieving a successful teaching approach.
    • Understanding the connection between our biological and psychological development is crucial for building mental capacity and physical health as we navigate a multicultural world. Dr. Immordino-Yang's research shows the importance of integrated thinking in adolescent development.
    • Learning requires an open mind and rigorous exploration of ideas. Tolerance for different perspectives and criticism is necessary for a safe and productive discussion. Emotions can drive learning, but understanding is key.
    • To create common ground, we need to engage in respectful discussions where we deconstruct our own assumptions and appreciate others' perspectives. Developing spaces for young people to learn to engage in civic discourse is crucial.
    • Our ability to construct narratives with emotional implications is impacted by how our brain processes emotions. Feeling unsafe impedes imaginative processes, while creativity is associated with feeling safe to think together. People in Japan create multiple social media handles to embody different versions of themselves safely, driving their real-world decision-making at levels akin to pretend play.
    • Embodying different aspects of the self and personas of others can allow for a thorough exploration of idea space. Emotional intelligence helps individuals understand others' perspectives, leading to effective problem-solving and conflict resolution. Teachers should teach emotional engagement and emotional systems to help students approach situations with empathy and communication skills.
    • Children interpret their surroundings and behaviors differently. Teachers and parents should encourage their passions and interests instead of limiting them with methods that may affect their freedom to learn.
    • To build a better society, we must learn to engage with diverse perspectives, deconstruct our own beliefs, and allow others to do the same. Trust and safety are necessary for deep engagement in civic discourse, and skills should be developed across all domains to promote a more adaptive, prosocial society.
    • Our brains are wired similarly despite our differences. Children systematically test and learn from their environment, and we can apply this logic to manage ourselves effectively.
    • Our natural inclination towards social interaction, simulation and perception of reality, and avoiding chronically elevated adrenaline can help in better brain functioning.
    • Education should focus on personal development, while self-care requires simple actions that can be applied without purchasing anything. Real-world applications and personalized teaching methods lead to effective learning and development.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    The Role of Temperament, Environment, and Emotions in Learning

    Our temperament and environment shape our understanding of the world and self, impacting how we learn and develop meaning in life. Understanding our emotional systems can guide us towards effective learning. Dr. Immordino-Yang's research on how different people learn from traditional and non-traditional forms of learning offers practical tools for effective learning. Inspiration and awe play a fundamental role in how we learn and navigate life; stories help us organize our experience of consciousness. Stories hook into our basic biological machinery that keeps us alive, creating an expansive and fundamental high-level state that makes us conscious and alive. Children's stories with ongoing challenges and evolving characters can be particularly impactful, evoking sensations in the body and offering intellectual understanding.

    The Role of Embodiment and Brain-Body Connection in Consciousness and Mental States

    The brain's ability to map and regulate the body becomes the substrate for consciousness and for the mind, and is a trampoline for the mind in constructing all kinds of emotions and mental states. The conversation between the brain and the body is happening in very raw and direct ways, neurochemically and others, and also in broader, longer-term, slower, fluctuating patterns around, leading to all kinds of dynamic possibility spaces for how humans grow through time. Humans construct their narrative construct, a conscious feeling that feels like a belief state or an emotion state or an experience, which is the role of embodiment in that. Moreover, humans are dependent on other people for the formulation of their sense of self and meaning.

    Early Experiences and Emotional Templates

    Early experiences lay templates for recognizing powerful feelings that we try to experience again and again throughout life. Our ability to conceptualize these feelings evolves as we grow, but the physiological substrate of our emotional attachments remains similar. Love is experienced as a concrete, embodied thing by a two-year-old, while a four-year-old can conceptualize it in terms of an idea. Feelings are dynamic and emergent, happening simultaneously in the body and brain, making it impossible to say where they really exist. Understanding how we experience and conceptualize feelings can help us better adapt to situations and interactions with others.

    The Evolution of Emotions and Mental States

    Our basic physiological attachment, aversion, and motivation states evolve into mental states like beliefs, love songs, and poems. There are basic emotional states, along a continuum, that we bend and map our experiences onto throughout our lifespan. Throughout life, basic physiological regulatory capacities keep us alive. We manage in a complex and dynamic space. We conjure out of these processes of consciousness and awareness that feel mentally powerful to us. Finally, social stimuli can evoke emotions like compassion and admiration, which scientists study in MRI scanners by telling people true stories. By connecting small things like sunlight to feelings of attachment, we begin to understand the world.

    The Importance of Stories in Complex Human Emotions

    The same brain systems are activated when feeling emotions based on pain and pleasure. However, complex emotions elicited by stories focus less on valence and more on conjuring mental states, making them uniquely human. These emotional responses are developmental and learned across time, building the foundation for narratives, beliefs, values, and identities. These complex emotions are grounded in our ability to experience the world physiologically but transcends beyond that. This suggests that stories and narratives are fundamental to human experience, developed from basic building blocks much like the visual hierarchy in the brain that builds complex structures from simple elements.

    The Impact of Storytelling on Brain Activity.

    Our brain has a hierarchical buildup of emotional experiences that starts with basic somatic experiences like physical and emotional pain and builds up to countless examples. The need to add a story and context to emotions changes how they are mapped in the brain. Brain scanning experiments have shown that the default mode network, a system of brain areas including regions in the middle of the head and on the lateral parietal, are activated when we impose cultural, social, and contextual knowledge to appreciate a story. These areas were previously believed to decouple when we do an effortful mental task, but now we know they actively demonstrate an increase in activation when needed to appreciate a story.

    The Power of Complex Stories on Our Brain's Default Mode System

    Our brain has a default mode system that gets activated by complex stories that require contextual knowledge to fully appreciate. These stories involve conditions under which people take action, and what we can infer about their state of mind and quality of character from their actions. We can observe different neural systems being activated based on our psychological reaction to a particular story, which reflects how our brain balances its activity and processing. Such stories can also trigger ethical interpretations, leading to broader narratives and a deeper sense of self-awareness. These emotional experiences involve a layering of physical sensations, observation and perception, cultural narratives and feeling states that go beyond valence and inspire action and hope for humanity.

    The Unique Nature of Human Emotions

    Our unique ability to experience and assign meaning to our emotions is what makes us human. The way we understand emotions is shaped by our own experiences and our observation of others, but our interpretation of emotions can be subjective and vary from person to person. Our emotional palettes are influenced by our personal backgrounds, cultural experiences, and even the music we listen to, especially during our adolescence and teen years. Narrative distancing or transportation can also affect our emotional responses to external stimuli. Some people have more of a buffer than others between their internal landscape and the outside world. Understanding these differences can help us appreciate the unique nature of human emotions.

    The Complexities of Perception and Interpretation in Humans

    As humans, our experiences and cultural values shape the way we perceive and interpret the world around us. Even our emotions and feelings are complex elaborations of physiological states and the stories we tell ourselves about their meaning, which are constantly developing through cognitive media such as science and art. We actively impose ourselves onto the world, rather than passively receiving information. While we may not experience entirely new emotions past age 15, we can still experience new feelings that arise from different personal experiences and interpretations of the world. Therefore, our perceptions and interpretations of complex social stories are influenced by our personal experiences and cultural values.

    Overcoming Genocidal Impulses starts with an Honest Veto System.

    Humans are capable of committing heinous acts like genocide, and it stems from a shift in interpretation and dehumanization of the victims. Developing dispositions to question our own motives, engage with others' perspectives, and deconstruct our assumptions about situations can create a veto system to protect against such possibilities. However, the education system and social media can reinforce biases and prevent us from deconstructing our preferences, values, and beliefs. It is important to reflect on ourselves and systematically query how our actions and beliefs impact or influence those around us.

    Developing Emotional Intelligence and Critical Thinking in the Digital Age

    Our emotions are the fundamental drivers of our thinking, decision making, relationship building, and community lives, and we have a responsibility to develop dispositions to systematically query and reframe them when they are not serving us or the world. We need to transcend and think about the broader systemic, historical, ethical, civic implications of our beliefs and engage with different perspectives to learn and challenge ourselves. It's essential to not be siloed in our thinking and exposure to different things on social media and observe disagreement from a place of curiosity about what's driving the mechanisms in people. The pandemic has highlighted the divisiveness caused by social media and the importance of being open to different perspectives.

    Encouraging Critical Thinking in Education and Beyond

    Education needs to shift from just learning outcomes to creating age-appropriate opportunities for young people to grow as thinkers, individuals, and civic agents. The current education system discourages engagement with complex perspectives and deconstructing beliefs, leading to a society where individuals are actively punished for playing with ideas. Alternative ways of assessment, such as in-depth projects that involve multidisciplinary exploration and engagement with the learning process, should be adopted to encourage critical thinking. Parents can also play a role by asking their 10-year-olds to unpack their beliefs when following something, which can help make their thinking visible and encourage them to engage systematically with complex perspectives on topics and ideas.

    Rethinking education: why curiosity and emotions matter in learning.

    The education system needs to engage people in intellectual curiosity starting from preschool to expand their range of ways to leverage natural curiosity to discover new things. Little kids need to be intrigued and invited to think rather than turning them into a computer-like machine that only focuses on performance. The emotional buzz of performance in the education system creates a desire for the kids to be a computer and not a human, and the buzz should be intrinsic pleasure in learning and thinking about what they are learning. The education system needs to evoke an appreciation through emotions to learn basic skills such as math, biology or psychology.

    The Impact of Emotions on Learning and the Importance of Problem-Solving

    Emotions are intricately linked to learning and what students feel has an impact on what they learn. High stakes accountability measures have taught students to have emotions about achieving grades, rather than being curious about ideas. Educators need to engage students by creating rich problem spaces that peak their curiosity and are meaningful to them. This will make students want to learn, rather than simply perform. Math, for example, becomes fascinating when it's linked to a problem that the student wants to solve, and the math becomes a toolkit that helps them in their discovery. Educators need to think about development in these ways and not just focus on academic rigor and achievement.

    Nurturing Curiosity in Young People to Prevent Mental Health Crises

    The fear of taking risks and shielding young people from their curiosities stunts their ability to grow themselves, which can lead to mental health crises. Adults should wrap around young people, help them learn, and allow them the space to grapple with complex, powerful questions in safe and appropriate ways. When kids develop the proclivities to do this, they can manage their human capacities that can lead to terrible evil as well as amazing virtuousness. Failure to map well to the system doesn't mean the child is at fault. Intellectual power needs to be served up in a way that works.

    The Power of Experiential and Emotional Learning

    Andrew Huberman and Dr. Immordino-Yang discussed the power of experiential and emotional learning, highlighting how teaching others can ignite the learner's brain in a way that just hearing an expert talk cannot. Dr. Immordino-Yang shared her unique trajectory, growing up on a farm, disliking school, and first discovering the joy of teaching at age six when she shared her fascination with 200 million-year-old fossilized worms. Andrew stressed the importance of staying in school, but highlighted the need for a more holistic learning approach that incorporates emotional engagement and active experiences to truly engage and ignite students' passions and curiosity.

    Embracing Diversity and Experiential Learning for Personal and Professional Growth.

    Learning by doing and engaging with people from different cultures can be a powerful way to make meaning and find one's path. Dr. Immordino-Yang's diverse experiences, from working with children in Siberia to learning furniture-making in Connecticut, helped her develop a scientific lens to understand the natural world and pursue a career in education. Despite struggling in school, her passion for learning and building things propelled her to explore different subjects and languages. The freedom to pursue these experiences was afforded by her family's resources, but the key takeaway is that taking risks and immersing oneself in different environments can lead to growth and personal development, even outside of formal education.

    The benefits of an interdisciplinary approach in science education.

    An integrated interdisciplinary approach to science education can help students appreciate the dynamic complexity of the natural world and aid in their understanding of their own origin story and place in the world. With diverse cultural backgrounds, scientific ways of exploring the world can serve as a handle for students to make sense of who they are. Therefore, teachers should focus on building web-like curriculums that encourage hands-on learning and promote questioning and discussion among students. Teachers must learn to adapt to changing education requirements and be well-equipped to integrate various domains of science. Achieving better student outcomes requires a collaborative effort from diverse backgrounds, cultures, and perspectives.

    Integrating Science of Development, Learning, Emotion, and Culture

    Dr. Immordino-Yang realized the importance of bringing science of adolescent development, learning, emotion, and culture to help kids understand who they are and become scholars in this multicultural space. She took developmental perspective infused ideas and began to study social, cultural, emotional, and cognitive development in kids. She believed that the inner section of the Venn diagram between the natural behaviors and the ways kids were making meaning and learning and describing their knowledge, and the ways in which the brain and biology are engaging in or supporting those processes is where we could deeply understand the nature of our developmental psychobiological growth and selves. She saw the need to integrate the way our biological development and psychological development are related to build our mental capacity and physical health over our lives.

    The Importance of Open-Mindedness and Rigorous Discussion in Learning and Idea Exploration.

    Identifying what's really going on and being open to ideas are key to learning. However, fear of getting canceled and exploring ideas is real, and it's important to be sensitive to the experiences of others. Any idea should be open to discussion, but systematically dissected with some rigor to arrive at core truths or trajectories. Tolerance has to go both ways when it comes to thinking about ideas and criticizing. A safe space means allowing any idea to be discussed, not just avoiding offense. Emotions act as a drive, pushing us to think about certain things, and understanding something is important in learning.

    Building Common Ground through Deconstructing Assumptions and Respectful Discussions

    We are afraid to engage with each other because revealing our personal experiences may not be accepted as legitimate by others. To build common ground, we need to engage in conversations and deconstruct our own assumptions, as well as others'. This allows us to appreciate perspectives and understand our own position better. It is crucial to develop spaces for young people to learn to engage in civic discourse, reasoning, and understand the ethical, emotional, and cultural values. We should promote respectful discussions by creating classroom rules and avoid alienating people. By debating controversial topics from different perspectives, we can appreciate opinions we might not have considered before, leading to a better understanding and common ground.

    The Impact of Emotions on Narrative Construction and Creativity

    The brain employs different types of processing for emotions and the thoughts that accompany emotions, which impacts our ability to construct narratives with emotional and psychological implications. The default mode network, responsible for inner consciousness and self-awareness, is deactivated when focusing on direct physical or social situations. Feeling physically, emotionally, culturally, socially unsafe impedes divergent thinking and imaginative processes. Creativity is associated with activations of these networks, and being able to mentally time travel into the ideas space is only possible when people feel safe to think together. People in Japan create multiple social media handles to embody different versions of themselves safely, fabricating different dimensions of their persona that drive their real-world decision-making at levels akin to pretend play.

    The Importance of Emotional Intelligence in Understanding Others

    Our brains often collapse identities of others and make it an efficient way to parse the world, which can lead to misunderstandings and conflicts. However, embodying different aspects of the self and personas of others can allow for thorough exploration of idea space if done in a non-violent manner. The education system can start young and teach emotional engagement and emotional systems to help individuals learn differently and understand perspectives that differ from their own. By learning to approach situations with emotional intelligence, individuals can understand why they and others are upset and explore different perspectives. Tools such as communication and empathy can be used to solve problems in different situations, including conflicts in classrooms and misunderstandings with teachers.

    The Importance of Recognizing Children's Perceptions and Motivational Factors in Learning

    Kids interpret the interactions and structures around them not only for what they are but also for what they represent as someone else's interpretation of what they are or are not capable of doing. A behavior chart in the classroom may be seen as an insult by a motivated child who feels that it limits his possibilities and could affect his freedom to learn. Therefore, it is important to let children express their opinions and help them formulate their understanding of what is happening around them. Writing a letter to the teacher can be one way to do this. Teachers and parents should be aware that motivational factors play an essential role in children's learning, and that they should encourage their passions and interests.

    The importance of safe cultural spaces for civic discourse.

    Constructing safe cultural spaces for civic discourse is crucial in deconstructing problematic ideas and building a more adaptive, prosocial society. We must develop skills and dispositions for engaging with diverse perspectives, deconstructing our own beliefs, and allowing others to do the same. Trust and safety are necessary for deep engagement in civic discourse, and free speech must be possible for everyone. Buried ideas cannot be solved, so we must deconstruct and deeply understand concepts to rebuild them in new ways. Such skills and dispositions should be developed across disciplinary domains, including math, science, social studies, history, art, and sports. This is not just important in schools but also in other contexts where the environment can unwittingly impose mental models of possibility spaces onto people and negatively affect their sense of safety and agency.

    The Power and Perils of Self-Management

    The idea that we have all things inside of us can be dangerous, but also a way to manage ourselves. We are similar at the core level of brain wiring despite different stances. Mirror neurons, a special kind of cell type in the brain, don't exist, but the brain is organized as networks converging and then diverging. Developmental scholars observed young children and noticed that they impose a certain logic onto the world and systematically test that logic, which is hypothesis testing. Children are not just discovering things haphazardly. They have expectations and when the world does what they want, that reinforces the behavior, and when it does something different, that's surprising.

    The Importance of Social Interaction and Perception of Reality

    Our natural proclivity to appreciate another person's actions, feelings, experiences by leveraging our own similar actions, feelings, experiences is what makes us inherently social. The mirror neurons don't exist but our propensity to engage with other people by simulating on the substrate of our own self, and then inferring the goals and the feelings and the outcomes and the experiences of those experiences that we've simulated, is very essential to being human. The nervous system is wired to be inherently social and situated in social spaces. Accommodating, aligning, and developing expectations are factors that affect our perception of reality as we expected it to happen. Cold exposure may promote neuroprotection, but chronically elevated adrenaline is not good for the body.

    Rethinking Education and Self-Care

    The goal of education should be the development of a person, not just learning outcomes. Learning opportunities should be designed to change who people are capable of becoming. It's important to reduce stress on an ill body by taking hot showers or baths and sauna. These ideas are vital and can be implemented without the need to purchase a bunch of stuff. Real-world applications are important in research, and perspectives on education at home, teaching ourselves, teachers, and the education system can be implemented effectively. The person learns differently, and it's essential to focus on their development after learning.

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    In this episode, my guest is Coleman Ruiz, a former Tier One U.S. Navy SEAL joint task force commander. He served in Afghanistan and Iraq and as a BUD/S training officer. He shares his journey from childhood through the Naval Academy to elite Navy SEAL special operations. He shares the physical and emotional challenges he has overcome and discusses his struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). He also talks about the key role of mentors, family and friends in building resilience. Coleman gives us a raw, humble account of hitting rock bottom. He tells of the intense pain, fear, depression and suicidality in his journey of redemption. Coleman’s story is a real-life hero’s journey. He tells it with extraordinary vulnerability and humility. He explains the challenges and sudden tragedies that helped to ground, shape and renew him. His story will inspire listeners of all ages and backgrounds. Note: This conversation includes profanity and topics that are not suitable for all audiences and ages. For show notes, including additional resources, please visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman Maui Nui Venison: https://mauinuivension.com/huberman  Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman  Plunge: https://plunge.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Coleman Ruiz (00:01:55) Sponsors: BetterHelp, Maui Nui Venison & Eight Sleep (00:06:06) Childhood, “Wildness” (00:13:24) Wrestling, Combat Sports & Respect (00:22:26) Divorce, College Applications & Naval Academy (00:29:51) Sponsor: AG1 (00:31:22) Prep School, Patriotism, Fear (00:40:08) Growth Mindset, 24-Hour Horizon (00:43:02) Naval Academy, Mentor, Focus (00:52:45) Wife, Work Ethic (00:59:23) Sponsor: Plunge (01:00:51) Navy SEALs, BUD/S, Hell Week (01:04:51) BUD/S Success Predictors; Divorce & Aloneness; Rebellion (01:16:30) Patriotism, Navy SEALs, Green Team (01:22:15) Advanced Training, Tier One, Free-Fall (01:26:13) Special Operations, Deaths & Grief (01:36:08) Mentor Death & Facing Mortality (01:47:49) Warriors & Compassion; Trauma, Family (01:52:37) Civilian Life Adjustment (01:57:39) Hero With a Thousand Faces, Civilian Return & PTSD (02:07:03) Massage, Perspective, Space-Time Bridging (02:14:10) Psychedelics, Connection, Warrior Culture (02:19:15) Rock Bottom: Talk Therapy, Depression, Alcohol (02:25:50) Emotional & Physical Pain, Vulnerability, Fighter Mentality (02:30:42) Suicide, Asking For Help & Support (02:38:32) Therapy, PTSD Recovery, Dread; Pharmacology (02:44:54) Healing Process: Unsatisfaction & Asking For Help (02:54:03) Daily Routine, Movement, Nutrition (03:02:22) Manhood, Range, Parenthood, Surrender (03:10:08) Current Pursuits (03:16:01) Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer
    Huberman Lab
    enApril 08, 2024

    Guest Series | Dr. Matthew Walker: The Biology of Sleep & Your Unique Sleep Needs

    Guest Series | Dr. Matthew Walker: The Biology of Sleep & Your Unique Sleep Needs
    In this episode 1 of a 6-part special series on sleep with Dr. Matthew Walker, Ph.D., professor of neuroscience and psychology and founder of the Center for Human Sleep Science at the University of California, Berkeley, and the author of the book “Why We Sleep” discusses the essential role that sleep plays in our health. We cover how sleep affects our hormones, immune system, learning and memory, mood, appetite, and weight regulation. We also discuss what causes the urge to sleep, how sleep is structured throughout the night, and the biology of the different phases of sleep. We also teach you how to determine your individualized sleep needs, including your chronotype (best waking and to-bed time), tips for combat snoring and insomnia, and your QQRT (Quality, Quantity, Regularity, and Timing)—a key framework for optimizing your sleep and therefore daytime energy and focus, and overall health. The next episode in this special series explores how to improve one’s sleep. For show notes, including referenced articles and additional resources, please visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman  BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman  LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman  InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Importance of Sleep (00:02:24) Sponsors: Eight Sleep, BetterHelp & LMNT (00:06:00) Sleep; Non-REM & REM Sleep (00:11:40) Sleep Cycles, Individuality, Women vs. Men (00:14:49) Tool: Wakefulness in Bed, Insomnia (00:19:08) Non-REM Stages of Sleep (00:27:05) Role of Deep Sleep (00:34:02) Sponsor: AG1 (00:35:15) Light Sleep Stages, Hypnogogic Jerks (00:42:00) REM Sleep, Paralysis & Bizarre Dreams; “Falling” Asleep (00:49:09) Tools: Body Position & Sleep; Snoring & Sleep Apnea (00:57:43) Yawning & Theories, Contagion (01:04:03) Nodding Off, Afternoon & Postprandial Dip (01:08:46) Sponsor: InsideTracker (01:09:51) Sleep, Animals & Evolution (01:14:09) Poor Sleep & Health Consequences, Sleep Deprivation (01:27:13) Positive Effects of Good Sleep, Health Improvements (01:31:56) Sleep & Mood; Appetite & Weight Management (01:42:55) Sleep Deprivation & Looking Tired, “Beauty Sleep” (01:47:57) Tool: Getting Good Sleep, QQRT Macros, Quantity & Quality (01:56:45) Tool: Sleep Regularity, Mortality Risk (02:03:15) Tool: Sleep Timing, Chronotypes (02:14:21) Chronotypes & Insomnia, Circadian Rhythm, Shift Work (02:20:31) Tool: Sleep Tests, Alarm Clock, Micro-Sleeps (02:27:27) Sleep Inertia & Waking; Afternoon Dip, Optimum Performance (02:34:19) Causes of Sleep: Circadian Rhythm, Sleep Pressure (02:43:02) Adenosine & Sleepiness (02:46:13) Tool: Growth Hormone & Deep Sleep (02:50:47) Cortisol & Circadian Rhythm, “Tired But Wired” (02:57:24) Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer
    Huberman Lab
    enApril 03, 2024

    Benefits & Risks of Peptide Therapeutics for Physical & Mental Health

    Benefits & Risks of Peptide Therapeutics for Physical & Mental Health
    In this episode, I explain the major categories and types of peptides currently in use for therapeutic purposes. I discuss peptides for improving tissue rejuvenation and repair, promoting longevity, improving muscle growth and fat loss, and boosting mood, vitality, and libido. I explain the biology of how these peptides work and both their potential benefits and risks. I also discuss peptide sourcing, dosages, cycling, routes of administration, and how peptides work in combination.  This episode will help you better understand the rapidly expanding landscape of peptide therapeutics and how to evaluate if specific peptides might be advantageous towards achieving your physical or mental health goals. For show notes, including referenced articles and additional resources, please visit hubermanlab.com. Use Ask Huberman Lab, our new AI-powered platform, for a summary, clips, and insights from this episode. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Mateína: https://drinkmateina.com/huberman Levels: https://levels.link/huberman Joovv: https://joovv.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Peptides (00:03:20) Sponsors: Mateina, Levels & Joovv (00:07:44) What is a Peptide? (00:12:06) Peptide Sourcing, Lipopolysaccharide (LPS) (00:14:48) Rejuvenation & Tissue Repair: BPC-157, Angiogenesis (00:21:50) BPC-157 & Tissue Injury; Mode of Delivery (00:27:53) BPC-157: Safety, Doses, Cycling, Tumor Risk (00:35:16) Sponsor: AG1 (00:36:43) Tissue Repair: Thymosin Beta-4, TB-500 (00:40:49) Growth & Metabolism: Growth Hormone, IGF-1, Risks (00:45:25) Secretagogues, Sermorelin, Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (00:52:21) Sponsor: LMNT (00:53:44) Ipamorelin, Hexarelin, GHRP-3, MK-677; Risks & Timing (00:58:69) Peptides for Growth Hormone & IGF-1, Risk; Combinations & Dosing (01:06:12) Longevity: Thymosin Beta-4, Epitalon (Epithalon) (01:12:09) Vitality: Melanotan, PT-141 (Vyleesi), Risks (01:17:21) Vitality: Kisspeptin (01:21:46) Peptides, Potential Benefits, Side-Effects & Risks (01:24:19) Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer
    Huberman Lab
    enApril 01, 2024

    Asi Wind: What Magic & Mind Reading Reveal About the Brain

    Asi Wind: What Magic & Mind Reading Reveal About the Brain
    In this episode, my guest is Asi Wind. He's one of the world’s top magicians and mentalists.  We discuss what magic and mentalism reveal about the human mind, including how memories are made, how to erase them, and how and why we perceive things the way we do, all in the context of how he performs his astonishing tricks.  Asi explains that magic works because it involves storytelling, which is key to how we organize memories. He also explains how emotional connection allows people to co-create and believe a common narrative, even one that did not actually occur.  We also discuss how Asi's love of painting and photography and his specific daily routine allow him to access creativity. We also discuss fear, perfectionism, and how feeling emotions deeply serves his craft.  Whether you are interested in magic or not, this conversation with Asi will give you an incredible window into how you perceive, learn, and remember the world around you and how what you believe may or may not be based in reality.  For show notes, including referenced articles and additional resources, please visit hubermanlab.com. Use Ask Huberman Lab, our new AI-powered platform, for a summary, clips, and insights from this episode. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman  BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman  AeroPress: https://aeropress.com/huberman  InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman  Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Asi Wind (00:02:48) Sponsors: LMNT, BetterHelp & AeroPress (00:07:07) “Jazzy Magic”, Tricks & Improvisation, Memory (00:14:57) Magic & Imagination (00:24:06) Memory “Experiments” (00:29:18) Sponsor: AG1 (00:30:46) Reality Augmentation, Free Will (00:35:31) Audience Interactions & Connection, Empathy, Tool: Breathing (00:41:20) Audience, Empathetic Attunement & Connection; Skeptics (00:49:10) Trick Explanation, Props (00:57:21) Exposing Magic, Misdirection, Storytelling (01:07:29) Sponsor: InsideTracker (01:08:36) Delight, Hypnosis, Behavior Patterns (01:17:35) Hypnotists & Guiding Attention; Social Media (01:23:01) “Power of Pauses” & Memory; Tool: Gap Effects & Learning (01:30:14) Tension, Understanding Magic (01:36:16) Storytelling (01:43:00) Painting & Composition (01:51:08) Truths, Clean Slate, Art & Storytelling (01:59:03) Art & Motivation, Honesty (02:05:17) Inspiration & Creativity, “Sponge” (02:12:38) Morning Routine & Creativity (02:19:28) Memory & Fear, Power of Story; Tool: Walking & Creativity (02:29:53) Body Language (02:33:01) Perfectionism; Negative Emotions, Photography (02:40:19) Sensitivity, Empathy, Family (02:45:16) Incredibly Human Show (02:49:22) Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer
    Huberman Lab
    enMarch 25, 2024

    LIVE EVENT Q&A: Dr. Andrew Huberman Question & Answer in Melbourne, AU

    LIVE EVENT Q&A: Dr. Andrew Huberman Question & Answer in Melbourne, AU
    Recently I had the pleasure of hosting a live event in Melbourne, AU. This event was part of a lecture series called The Brain Body Contract. My favorite part of the evening was the question and answer period, where I had the opportunity to answer questions from the attendees of each event. Included here is the Q&A from our event in Melbourne, AU at Plenary. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Resources Ask Huberman Lab (AI platform) 10 Minute Non-Sleep Deep Rest (NSDR) Timestamps (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:50) Strategies for Preventing Dementia (00:15:07) Enhancing Willpower: Is It Comparable to Muscle Training? (00:22:40) Minimizing Circadian Disruption for Shift Workers (00:29:24) Difference Between NSDR & Meditation (00:37:32) Combatting Mindless Phone Scrolling (00:42:18) Dream Clinical Trials (00:55:55) Conclusion Disclaimer
    Huberman Lab
    enMarch 22, 2024

    Dr. E.J. Chichilnisky: How the Brain Works, Curing Blindness & How to Navigate a Career Path

    Dr. E.J. Chichilnisky: How the Brain Works, Curing Blindness & How to Navigate a Career Path
    In this episode, my guest is Dr. E.J. Chichilnisky, Ph.D., a professor of neurosurgery and ophthalmology at Stanford University. He studies how we see and uses that information to build artificial eyes that restore vision to the blind.  We discuss how understanding the retina (the light-sensing brain tissue that lines the back of our eyes) is critical to knowing how our brain works more generally.  We discuss brain augmentation with biologically informed prostheses, robotics, and AI and what this means for medicine and humanity.  We also discuss E.J.’s unique journey into neuroscience and how changing fields multiple times, combined with some wandering, taught him how to guide his decision-making in all realms of life.  This episode ought to be of interest to anyone interested in learning how the brain works from a world-class neuroscientist, those interested in the future of brain therapeutics and people seeking inspiration and tools for navigating their own professional and life journey. For show notes, including referenced articles and additional resources, please visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman  ROKA: https://roka.com/huberman  BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman  InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Dr. E.J. Chichilnisky (00:02:31) Sponsors: Eight Sleep, ROKA & BetterHelp (00:06:06) Vision & Brain; Retina (00:11:23) Retina & Visual Processing (00:18:37) Vision in Humans & Other Animals, Color (00:23:01) Studying the Human Retina (00:29:48) Sponsor: AG1 (00:31:16) Cell Types (00:36:00) Determining Cell Function in Retina (00:43:39) Retinal Cell Types & Stimuli (00:49:27) Retinal Prostheses, Implants (01:00:25) Artificial Retina, Augmenting Vision (01:06:05) Sponsor: InsideTracker (01:07:12) Neuroengineering, Neuroaugmentation & Specificity (01:17:01) Building a Smart Device, AI (01:20:02) Neural Prosthesis, Paralysis; Specificity (01:25:21) Neurodegeneration; Adult Neuroplasticity; Implant Specificity (01:34:00) Career Journey, Music & Dance, Neuroscience  (01:42:55) Self-Understanding, Coffee; Self-Love, Meditation & Yoga (01:47:50) Body Signals & Decisions; Beauty (01:57:49) Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer
    Huberman Lab
    enMarch 18, 2024

    Dr. Cal Newport: How to Enhance Focus and Improve Productivity

    Dr. Cal Newport: How to Enhance Focus and Improve Productivity
    In this episode, my guest is Dr. Cal Newport, Ph.D., a professor of computer science at Georgetown University and bestselling author of numerous books on focus and productivity and how to access the deepest possible layers of your cognitive abilities in order to do quality work and lead a more balanced life. We discuss how to avoid digital distraction, specific systems to best arrange and update your schedule, and how to curate your work and home environment. We discuss how to engage with smartphones and technology, the significant productivity cost of task-switching, and how to avoid and overcome burnout. This episode provides specific protocols for enhancing focus and productivity, time management, task prioritization, and improving work-life balance that ought to be useful for anyone, young or old, regardless of profession. For show notes, including referenced articles and additional resources, please visit hubermanlab.com. Use Ask Huberman Lab, our new AI-powered platform, for a summary, clips, and insights from this episode. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Helix Sleep: https://helixsleep.com/huberman Maui Nui Venison: https://mauinuivenison.com/huberman Joovv: https://joovv.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Dr. Cal Newport (00:02:52) Sponsors: Helix Sleep, Maui Nui & Joovv (00:07:00) Smartphones, Office & Walking (00:13:08) Productive Meditation, Whiteboards (00:20:04) Tool: Capturing Ideas, Notebooks (00:24:57) Tool: Active Recall & Remembering Information (00:30:02) Sponsor: AG1 (00:31:29) Studying, Deliberate Practice (00:38:13) Flow States vs. Deep Work (00:41:39) Social Media, Emergencies (00:45:27) Phone & Addiction; Task Switching (00:53:20) Sponsor: LMNT (00:54:23) “Neuro-Semantic Coherence” vs. Flow; Concentration (01:02:40) Internet Use & Kids; Video Games; Audiobooks (01:08:15) Pseudo-Productivity, Burnout (01:12:34) Social Media Distraction; The Deep Life (01:18:03) Attention, ADHD, Smartphones & Addiction; Kids (01:26:12) TikTok, Algorithm (01:30:39) Tool: Boredom Tolerance, Gap Effects & “Thoreau Walks” (01:37:43) Solitude Deprivation, Anxiety (01:41:22) Tools: Fixed Work Schedule & Productivity, Exercise, Sleep (01:47:52) Deep Work, Insomnia; Productivity & Core Work; Music (01:55:08) Cognitive Focus & Environment; Isolation (02:02:30) Burnout Epidemic, Digital Collaboration (02:11:11) Cognitive Revolution, Balance (02:16:45) Remote, Hybrid vs. In-Person Work; Zoom (02:22:05) Tool: Pull-Based System, Designing Workload (02:28:49) Tools: Multi-Scale Planning, Time Blocking; Deep Work Groups (02:38:56) Tool: Shutdown Ritual (02:42:37) Accessibility, Reputation & Flexibility (02:47:29) Work-Life Balance, Vacation; Productivity (02:54:47) Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, YouTube Feedback, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer
    Huberman Lab
    enMarch 11, 2024

    How Placebo Effects Work to Change Our Biology & Psychology

    How Placebo Effects Work to Change Our Biology & Psychology
    In this episode, I discuss placebo and belief and mindset effects — all of which exert a powerful and real influence on our biology and psychology. I discuss how your beliefs and expectation that a certain outcome will occur after taking a substance (or any intervention cause genuine changes in brain and bodily function. I discuss how placebos can change neurotransmitter and hormone release, pain levels, whether the stress response is beneficial or detrimental and more. I also explain how placebo effects can work with traditional drug or behavioral treatments to help improve health outcomes and why some people are more susceptible to placebo effects. By the end of the episode, listeners will understand the placebo effect, how it works, and how beliefs and mindsets can be leveraged toward mental health, physical health, and performance goals.  For show notes, including referenced articles and additional resources, please visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://www.eightsleep.com/huberman AeroPress: https://aeropress.com/huberman Levels: https://levels.link/huberman InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Placebo Effects (00:02:40) Sponsors: Eight Sleep, AeroPress & Levels (00:07:24) Placebo, Nocebo vs. Belief Effect, Prefrontal Cortex (00:14:03) Dopamine, Placebo & Parkinson’s Disease; Placebo Controls (00:21:36) Hormone Release & Placebo Effect, Paired Associations (00:28:52) Conditioning Effect & Insulin; Pavlovian Response (00:32:50) Sponsor: AG1 (00:34:17) Context & Expectations; Placebo Effect & Brain (00:40:51) Cancer, Mind-Body Practices; Placebo Effects & Limits (00:44:54) Asthma, Specificity & Placebo Effects (00:48:01) Sponsor: InsideTracker (00:49:03) Nicotine & Dose-Dependent Placebo Effects (00:55:31) Placebo Effects vs. Belief Effects, Food & Mindset (01:01:02) Exercise & Belief Effects (01:04:08) Placebo Effect, Brain & Stress Response (01:11:18) Individual Variation, Genetics & Placebo Effect (01:16:11) Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, YouTube Feedback, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer
    Huberman Lab
    enMarch 04, 2024