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    Moving fast and navigating uncertainty | Jeremy Henrickson (Rippling, Coinbase)

    Learning from challenging experiences and maintaining an inquisitive mindset can pave the way to success in Product Management. Understanding problems and being able to adapt is key to excelling in this field.

    enJune 04, 2023

    About this Episode

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    Jeremy Henrickson is Rippling’s SVP of Product, responsible for scaling their product and design team across three continents. Previously, as Chief Product Officer at Coinbase, he oversaw 10x growth of the product and engineering organization and transformed a scrappy startup into a global cryptocurrency platform with tens of millions of users. He began his career at Apple in the 1990s and holds a BS and MS in computer science from Stanford. In today’s episode, we discuss:

    • Strategies for sustaining focus and momentum at scale

    • The case against MVPs

    • The problem with frameworks

    • “Compound startups” and how this influences Rippling’s product development process

    • Advice for founders wanting to move faster

    • Why you don’t understand your product unless you’re “in the weeds”

    • Hiring practices at Rippling and how young PMs can build fruitful careers

    Find the transcript at: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/moving-fast-and-navigating-uncertainty-jeremy-henrickson-rippling-coinbase/#transcript

    Where to find Jeremy Henrickson:

    • Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyhenricks

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyhenrickson/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Jeremy’s background

    (03:24) What it was like leading product teams at Coinbase during the crypto boom

    (05:25) How Jeremy kept teams focused and the biggest challenges he faced at Coinbase

    (07:35) Advice for going through intense periods at work

    (08:52) Maintaining velocity at scale

    (12:07) An example of small teams with clear missions

    (14:29) A model for building products

    (18:03) Jeremy’s thoughts on MVPs (minimum viable products)

    (22:26) Designing for the most complex use case first

    (23:17) What a compound startup is and how it works at Rippling

    (27:09) Rippling’s unique culture of fast decision-making

    (28:14) Rippling’s leadership values

    (32:13) Advice for cultivating fast-decision-making teams

    (33:44) How deep-level thinking and working on the ground helped Rippling expand to other countries

    (38:42) Why product leaders need to be right

    (40:42) How Rippling decided where to expand to first

    (42:29) The case for expanding internationally before you think you’re ready

    (45:32) Why Jeremy isn’t a huge fan of frameworks

    (48:08) The differences between building product at Rippling and Coinbase

    (52:49) How Jeremy hires PMs at Rippling

    (58:29) Advice for junior PMs

    (1:00:19) Lessons from working with a founder who has strong opinions about what the product should be

    (1:02:15) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Coinbase: https://www.coinbase.com/

    • Ethereum: https://ethereum.org/en/

    • Parker Conrad on Twitter: https://twitter.com/parkerconrad

    • Rippling: https://www.rippling.com/

    Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier: https://www.amazon.com/Excellent-Advice-Living-Wisdom-Earlier/dp/0593654528

    • Matt MacInnis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/stanine

    • Rippling’s leadership principles: https://www.rippling.com/life

    • Airbnb cereal story: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/18/airbnb-ceo-says-he-wooed-first-investors-with-boxes-of-cereal.html

    • Guidewire: https://www.guidewire.com/

    • Jira: https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

    • Kyle Boston on Twitter: https://twitter.com/KyleB

    Quicksilver (book one of the Baroque Cycle series:) https://www.amazon.com/Quicksilver-Baroque-Cycle-Vol-1/dp/0060593083/r

    Consider Phlebas (book 1 of The Culture series): https://www.amazon.com/Consider-Phlebas-Culture-Iain-Banks/dp/031600538X/

    The Last of Us on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us

    The Game on Paramount+: https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/the-game-2021/

    Tenet: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6723592/

    • Corsair H60 CPU cooler: https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Hydro-Liquid-Cooler-Radiator/dp/B00A0HZMGA

    • Focal Bathys headphones: https://www.amazon.com/Focal-Over-Ear-Bluetooth-Headphones-Cancelation/dp/B0B93YKQT3

    • Pandemic: https://www.amazon.com/Z-Man-Games-ZM7101-Pandemic/dp/B00A2HD40E

    • Gloomhaven: https://www.amazon.com/Cephalofair-Games-CPH0201-Gloomhaven/dp/B01LZXVN4P

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • As a product leader, understanding the problem your team is solving is essential in achieving success and scaling effectively. Prioritize customer needs and security, and be present in the trenches to build a culture of fast decision-making.
    • To maintain velocity at scale, break down large problems for small teams, develop an easy-to-use platform, take breaks to gain perspective, and foster a unified company point of view.
    • To build successful platforms, leaders need to understand challenges and problems, have the right team and distribution of experience, and adopt an iterative approach with a clear focus on a single task at a time.
    • Rippling emphasizes finding a high-performing engineer and UX designer to work collaboratively in building new products efficiently. Their approach enables quick decision-making and provides equal opportunities for all employees to have a say in the process.
    • Designing for complex use cases at the outset can prevent limitations in product creativity and future growth. It may require more time but saves time and prevents a disservice to customers and the team.
    • Rippling's single system of record approach simplifies complex tasks, like workflow, reporting, analytics, and permissioning, and ensures accurate and consistent data across all businesses working on their platform.
    • Rippling values speed and decisiveness, empowered by a unique system of record that puts all data in one place. Their compound startup approach encourages independent problem-solving, resulting in a reinforced culture of speed and productivity.
    • By communicating clear priorities, engaging with team members, and creating a culture of clarity within the organization, companies can improve their decision-making process, enhance team performance, and achieve greater success. Lenny's Jobs provides a platform to access talented professionals who reflect a company's values and culture.
    • A successful product leader must become an expert in every aspect of the product before hiring specialists. This requires a native curiosity and willingness to learn about technical, design, regulatory, and governmental details, which can take up to half of the job time.
    • Product leaders must make complex decisions with incomplete information and confidence. Expanding globally can be valuable, but requires ranking countries based on strategic value and ease of building. Reordering decisions as you learn can improve outcomes.
    • Begin the international expansion process early, prioritize research and data analysis, respect cultural nuances, use frameworks and processes as decision-making tools, not substitutes for deep product thinking.
    • It is important to tailor process and frameworks based on team lifecycle and context-specific requirements rather than sticking to one framework. Quarterly planning and Jira are essential for unification. The decision-making process in the crypto domain is significantly different due to the level of uncertainty and regulatory environment.
    • Learning from challenging experiences and maintaining an inquisitive mindset can pave the way to success in Product Management. Understanding problems and being able to adapt is key to excelling in this field.
    • Asking questions that demonstrate a deep understanding of the company’s context and an ability to think critically is an important trait for candidates, especially for product managers. Employers should encourage candidates to ask questions and create specific prompts.
    • To succeed as a product manager, it's important to be humble, embrace curiosity, and remain adaptable. Great leaders are willing to learn from new information and respect the opinions of coworkers, building positive relationships in a dynamic work environment.
    • Recommendations of books and quality products can inspire and improve performance. Implementing small changes, like adopting an imperative approach, can greatly enhance team productivity.
    • Effective collaboration is crucial for driving growth in a globalized world. Embracing team-building activities like playing board games can bring valuable lessons to both work and family life. Explore job opportunities at Surfline.com and reach out via LinkedIn for more information.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Prioritizing problem-solving and customer needs as a product leader.

    Product leaders should go deep on a problem to gain insights, rather than just delegating tasks to their teams. Being present with the people in the trenches helps them understand the challenges and successes. This approach helps achieve scale and maintain focus, and build a culture of fast decision-making. It is also crucial to have the right people in the right place at the right time, especially during challenging times like the crypto market boom in 2017. Leaders should prioritize security aspects and focus on the customer's needs instead of the team's personal gains. By doing so, product leaders can become world experts in their domains.

    Scaling Velocity Through Small Teams and Clear Platforms

    Maintaining velocity at scale requires small teams with clear missions and breaking down large problems into sufficiently small bits that small teams can attack wholeheartedly. Developing a clear platform with a clear interface that is easy for both engineers and product people to use also simplifies the space in which people have to think about these problems. During times of intense work, it's important to take a step back and talk with friends or others about what's really going on in order to set it in the context of the future and what can be learned from the experience. In the midst of uncertainty, it's important to have debates, but then come out of those conversations with a clear company point of view that everyone is shooting towards.

    The Importance of Clear Product Leadership and Focused Teamwork in Platform Building.

    Platforms need an iterative approach with the right people who can do both systems thinking and product thinking simultaneously. Leaders should dive deep into the trenches to understand challenges and problems. Teams should have the right distribution of experience and seniority, and people should be doing what they love. Clear and precise product leadership, along with building small, focused teams, can accelerate growth over time. Rippling's model of starting new things with small groups and focusing on a single task allows for quicker execution and success.

    Rippling's Innovative Approach to Business Expansion and Product Development

    Rippling's approach to adding a new business unit or product feature involves finding a single engineer who is entrepreneurial and can operate at a high tempo, along with a design partner who is skilled in UX and interaction design. They work together to build the product quickly and launch it within six to nine months, often starting with a one-page view of what needs to be built. The focus is on finding a balance between speed and comprehensiveness, while constantly pressure testing designs and getting feedback. The approach allows for anyone in the organization, regardless of their position, to look at what's happening and make decisions without interference from the management structure.

    Prioritizing Complex Use Case in Building a Flexible Product

    Designing for the most complex use case first is crucial for building a product that can accommodate future growth and prevent the need for unwinding decisions made in the past. While MVPs have their place, they may lead to building the wrong thing technically and limiting product creativity. At Rippling, they followed this approach when building their global payroll product, which not only accommodates complex use cases but also makes adding new countries easier. While it may take a bit more time initially, designing for the most complex use case saves time in the long run and prevents building a product that does a disservice to customers and the team.

    How Rippling's Compound Startup Approach Simplifies Business Processes

    Rippling is a compound startup which means it is made up of multiple businesses that work together on a single platform. This approach allows them to have a single system of record for all their data which makes it easier for their downstream systems to have the right data at the right time. Having a single system of record makes it possible to build things like workflow, reporting, analytics and permissioning systems. Rippling is able to do this because they have spent a considerable amount of time building the different versions of their products and integrating them into one platform. Building a single system of record is better for many reasons like having a single source of truth and makes complex tasks like building a permissioning system possible.

    Rippling's Culture of Speed and Record-Keeping Paves the Way for Impossible Feats

    Rippling's system of record enables them to do things that are literally impossible for any other company to do. They solve the most complex use case first which allows all the data to be in the same place. Rippling's culture revolves around speed of execution and decision-making. They value the tempo of decision-making and the speed of response which is partly due to the fact that they are a compound startup with small independently operating teams. The ability to make decisions quickly is something that everybody promulgates. They have a timeline for decision-making which doesn't leave much room for delay. If you are an expert in your domain, then you can give solutions off the top of your head. Rippling's culture gets reinforced on its own, out of its gravity.

    Importance of Clear Priorities and Expectations in Improving Company Performance

    Creating and communicating clear priorities and expectations is essential for moving faster and making better decisions in a company. Going to the ground and talking to team members is necessary to understand the nuances and achieve that level of clarity. The leadership principles should reflect the culture and reflect what makes people successful in the organization, and HR teams can use platforms like Lenny's Jobs to access a curated list of professionals who are looking for new opportunities. Going beyond the top-level communication and engaging with team members creating clear expectations creates a culture of clarity and forces everyone to up their game, leading to better performance and fulfillment.

    The importance of being a product leader who understands every aspect of the product

    To build a successful product, it's important to understand and learn firsthand about the details of every aspect of the product, be it technical, design, regulatory, or governmental. One cannot delegate this responsibility to someone else, as a product leader must become a world expert in every aspect of the product before being able to hire specialists. It may take up to half of the job time to become a master in tax laws of different countries, as it's essential to understand how they work, how they communicate, and handle them. Great product leaders have native curiosity, interest, and the ability to absorb a lot of stuff, making them capable of knowing the full scope of the product.

    Importance of Right Decision-making in Product Leadership

    Product leaders need to be 'right' most of the time because their decisions impact the entire organization and spending time and energy. Leaders who can make complex decisions with incomplete information and confidence are highly valuable. Companies must expand globally to pay employees and have their information in their HR system anywhere in the world. To decide which countries to expand to, the company listed out the countries where their US-based companies had employees and ranked them based on how hard it is to build in these countries and its strategic value. The early decisions were reordered over time as the company learned more about the countries, but the basic list is mostly right.

    Best Practices for Expanding Internationally.

    Expanding internationally is crucial for the survival of companies in the long run, particularly in industries like payroll, insurance, benefits, and IT. It's essential to start the process earlier than you think you should, as it takes a long time to absorb the cultural lessons necessary to succeed in other countries. The most significant challenge is adapting to every country's unique context and respecting and integrating their cultural nuances. Frameworks and processes are beneficial but should only be used to create a frame for decisions, not as a substitute for deep product thinking. Process-based decision-making can hinder progress and delay growth, while data analysis and research can help prioritize effectively.

    Importance of Context-Specific Process in Product Development

    Process and frameworks in product development should be context-specific and dependent on the team's lifecycle. Dogmatically sticking to one framework is counterproductive and can be harmful. Quarterly planning and Jira are essential for unification and rationalizing about progress. The crypto and product development domains have different decision-making processes due to the predictability and ambiguity of the market and the level of cognitive dissonance. The day-to-day velocity of decision-making is higher in Rippling due to the absence of ambiguity and uncertainty. Reactivity to the environment and uncertainty of the regulatory environment are significant factors in the crypto domain.

    The Value of Reflection and Adaptability in the Product Management Industry.

    Even though jobs can be stressful at times, the memories and relationships built during those times can be valued for a long time. The learnings from experiences that did not work out traditionally end up being incredibly valuable, in all these unexpected ways. Product managers who are mentally agile and able to react to changes in problem-solving are effective. Inquisitiveness is a good sign of personal interest in a job and shows a willingness to learn. A person's ability to answer questions is indicative of their ability to understand a problem and is very essential while hiring for PM positions.

    The Importance of Asking Thought-Provoking Questions in Interviews

    Asking insightful and thought-provoking questions during an interview is important as it showcases the candidate's ability to think critically and deeply about the business. While the quality of questions can vary, a candidate who raises questions that show an understanding of the company's context and reveals a depth of thinking is highly desirable. Additionally, the ability to ask detailed questions is a crucial trait for product managers as it helps them navigate complex businesses. Employers should create prompts that are specific to their business, and they should always ask the candidate what questions they have for them. This curiosity and interest in the role are strong signals of a candidate's engagement and suitability for the position.

    The Importance of Humility and Adaptability in Product Management

    Being humble is the key to success in the early part of a product manager's career. Acknowledging the things you don't know, maintaining curiosity and elasticity of thought helps uncover new insights and ideas. Great leaders are always willing to change their minds when faced with new information or when they realize they were wrong. Moreover, being adaptable to the personalities and opinions of your co-workers is essential, especially when working with a product-minded founder. Having a deep foundation of respect and being moldable helps build a positive working relationship. Finally, adaptability is an important attribute in the product world, which allows one to fit in and work effectively with different personalities and work environments.

    Recommendations for Books, Products, and Productivity

    Recommendations of books and products can be a great source of inspiration. The Baroque Cycle by Neal Stephenson and the Culture series by Iain Banks are highly recommended books by Jeremy Henrickson. Focal Bathys headphones and Corsair H60 CPU cooler are two products which he recently discovered, and he highly recommends them. An introduction of imperatives by Rippling has created more focus and clarity on priorities for everyone in the product and engineering team, resulting in better execution. These minor changes in the approach can have a larger impact on the overall productivity of the team.

    Importance of Cross-Team Collaboration and Fun Family Learning Opportunities

    Cross-team collaboration is a natural part of a company's evolution, especially during globalization and large platform improvements. Companies need to work on multiple tasks simultaneously, and it's essential to have a solid team for this. Pandemic Legacy and Gloomhaven are two exciting family board games to play together, where everyone can learn about strategy. Surfline.com is hiring senior entrepreneurial PMs, and interested job seekers can visit the website's career section to explore those roles. LinkedIn is the easiest way to get in touch with the speaker, and he's looking for candidates who align with their leadership principles. Cross-team collaboration should be a priority, and employees who enjoy board games can create unique learning opportunities for their families.

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    • How to effectively take ideas from 0 to 1 at larger companies

    • How to craft a compelling vision

    • The importance of vulnerability and feedback

    • The role of intuition and product sense in making decisions

    • How to practically communicate your vision

    • How to balance collaboration and strong opinions

    • Advice for building a strong team culture

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    (12:12) The vision behind FigJam 

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    (32:48) Building hype

    (42:20) Immersing yourself in user insights

    (47:16) Operationalizing user insights  

    (50:33) Caring deeply about what you build

    (54:01) Finding passion in your work

    (57:00) Building a strong culture

    (01:07:07) Pivoting with grace and enthusiasm

    (01:11:48) Design Nation

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    (01:22:49) The key to going from 0 to 1

    (01:26:47) Spreading the idea across the company

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    (01:32:11) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Figma: https://www.figma.com/

    • Sho Kuwamoto on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shokuwamoto/

    The Medici Effect: What Elephants and Epidemics Can Teach Us About Innovation: https://www.amazon.com/Medici-Effect-Preface-Discussion-Guide/dp/1633692949

    • FigJam: https://www.figma.com/figjam/

    • Cognition: https://www.cognition-labs.com/

    • Devin: https://www.cognition-labs.com/introducing-devin

    • David Hoang on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dhoang2/

    • Replit: https://replit.com/

    • The Making of Maker Week at Figma: https://www.figma.com/blog/the-making-of-maker-week/

    • Yuhki Yamashita on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuhki/

    • Jeff Bezos’ Simple Decision-Making Framework Will Give You Clarity, Conviction, and Courage: https://medium.com/illumination/jeff-bezos-simple-decision-making-framework-will-give-you-clarity-conviction-and-courage-adf8d0183625

    • Alice Ching on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aliceching/

    • Karl Jiang on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-jiang-4a07424/

    • Kris Rasmussen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristopherrasmussen/

    • Config: https://config.figma.com/

    • Dev Mode: https://www.figma.com/dev-mode/

    • Asana: https://asana.com/

    • Julie Zhuo on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-zhuo/

    • StrengthsFinder test: https://www.gyfted.me/personality-quiz/strengthsfinder-test-free

    • Dylan Field on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dylanfield/

    • Vishal Shah on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vishalnshah/

    Design Disruptors: https://www.invisionapp.com/films/design-disruptors

    • Daniel Burka on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dburka/

    • Jamie Myrold on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiemyrold/

    • Design Nation: https://dn.businesstoday.org/

    • Stuart Weitzman on X: https://twitter.com/StuartWeitzman

    • Joe Gebbia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jgebbia/

    • Building a long and meaningful career | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career-nikhyl-singhal-meta-google/

    • Jambot: https://www.figma.com/community/widget/1274481464484630971/jambot

    • Hestia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hestia

    Harry Potter series: https://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Paperback-Box-Books/dp/0545162076

    Pachinko: https://www.amazon.com/Pachinko-National-Book-Award-Finalist/dp/1455563927/

    Creativity, Inc.: Overcoming the Unseen Forces That Stand in the Way of True Inspiration: https://www.amazon.com/Creativity-Inc-Expanded-Overcoming-Inspiration/dp/0593594649

    The Overstory: https://www.amazon.com/Overstory-Novel-Richard-Powers/dp/039335668X

    Severance on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/severance/umc.cmc.1srk2goyh2q2zdxcx605w8vtx

    Dune on Max: https://www.max.com/movies/dune/e7dc7b3a-a494-4ef1-8107-f4308aa6bbf7

    Dune: Part 2: https://www.dunemovie.com/

    • Arc browser: https://arc.net/

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    Referenced:

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    • Tiger Woods’s website: https://tigerwoods.com/

    • Co-Founder Mistakes That Kill Companies & How to Avoid Them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfjs_eEEzs

    • Daniel Alberson’s LinkedIn post about Y Combinator: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/alberson_i-left-my-dream-job-as-a-product-manager-activity-7089677882431533056-jJ9H

    • Companies in Y Combinator W17 Batch: https://www.ycdb.co/batch/w17

    • Brex: https://www.brex.com/

    • Retool: https://retool.com/

    • Segment: https://segment.com/

    • Mixpanel: https://mixpanel.com/

    • Whatnot: https://www.whatnot.com/

    • Andreessen Horowitz: https://a16z.com/

    • Airbnb’s CEO says a $40 cereal box changed the course of the multibillion-dollar company: https://fortune.com/2023/04/19/airbnb-ceo-cereal-box-investors-changed-everything-billion-dollar-company/

    • Rujul Zaparde on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rujulz/

    • Zip: https://ziphq.com/

    • Lu Cheng on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lu-cheng-973b7830/

    • Avoid these tempting startup tar pit ideas: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/Ij-avoid-these-tempting-startup-tarpit-ideas

    • Airbnb acquires Localmind to create crowdsourced advice about neighborhoods: https://skift.com/2012/12/13/airbnb-acquires-localmind-to-create-crowdsourced-advice-about-neighborhoods/

    • Foursquare: https://foursquare.com/

    • Razorpay: https://razorpay.com/

    • Total Addressable Market: https://www.productplan.com/glossary/total-addressable-market/

    • Lenny Bogdonoff on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rememberlenny/

    • Milk Video: https://milkvideo.com/

    • Lessons from working with 600+ YC startups | Gustaf Alströmer (Y Combinator, Airbnb): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/lessons-from-working-with-600-yc-startups-gustaf-alstromer-y-combinator-airbnb/

    • How the most successful B2B startups came up with their original idea: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-the-most-successful-b2b-startups

    • Collison installation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18400504

    • Stripe: https://stripe.com/

    • Patrick Collison on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickcollison/

    • John Collison on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbcollison/

    • Tony Xu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/xutony/

    • Grant LaFontaine on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantlafontaine/

    • Ryan Petersen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rpetersen/

    • Lessons on building product sense, navigating AI, optimizing the first mile, and making it through the messy middle | Scott Belsky (Adobe, Behance): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/lessons-on-building-product-sense-navigating-ai-optimizing-the-first-mile-and-making-it-through-t/

    • YC’s latest Request for Startups: https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/ycs-latest-request-for-startups

    • ERPs: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#new-enterprise-resource-planning-software

    • Commercial open source companies: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#commercial-open-source-companies

    • New space companies: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#new-space-companies

    • A way to end cancer: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#a-way-to-end-cancer

    • Spatial computing: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#spatial-computing

    • New defense technology: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#new-defense-technology

    • Bringing manufacturing back to America: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#bring-manufacturing-back-to-america

    • Better enterprise glue: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#better-enterprise-glue

    • Small fine-tuned models, as an alternative to giant generic ones: https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs#small-finetuned-models-as-an-alternative-to-giant-generic-ones

    • Reid Hoffman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reidhoffman/

    • Sam Altman on X: https://twitter.com/sama

    • Sean Parker on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/parkersean/

    • Owen Van Natta on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-van-natta-444a7/

    • Marc Andreessen on X: https://twitter.com/pmarca

    • Picplz 1, Instagram 0 as VC firm Andreessen Horowitz chooses photo app rival: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS2587232395/

    • Gustaf Alstromer—How to Get Users and Grow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ikpoF2GH0

    Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In: https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Yes-Negotiating-Agreement-Without/dp/0143118757

    Founding Sales: The Early Stage Go-to-Market Handbook: https://www.amazon.com/Founding-Sales-Go-Market-Handbook-ebook/dp/B08PMK17Z1

    • Founder-led sales | Pete Kazanjy (Founding Sales, Atrium): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/founder-led-sales-pete-kazanjy-founding-sales-atrium/

    The Sopranos on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/the-sopranos

    The Wire on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/the-wire

    Columbo on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Columbo-Season-1/dp/B008SA89HA

    • Oura ring: https://ouraring.com/

    • Apple watch: https://www.apple.com/watch/

    • SiPhox: https://siphoxhealth.com/

    • Dalton & Michael on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ-uHSnFig5Nd98Sc9I-kkc0ZWe8peRMC

    • How Future Billionaires Get Sh*t Done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephzgxgOjR0

    • The Student’s Guide to Becoming a Successful Startup Founder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5KCB2p6SB8

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    The GitLab way: Kindness, transparency, and short toes | David DeSanto (CPO)

    The GitLab way: Kindness, transparency, and short toes | David DeSanto (CPO)

    David DeSanto is the chief product officer of GitLab, which is the largest remote-only company in the world. They share many of their team meetings on YouTube, and they’ve grown from being an open-source code management product competing with GitHub to a multi-product platform that covers security, compliance, continuous integration, project management, and deployment tools, many of which are infused with AI magic. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • How GitLab operationalizes transparency

    • The philosophy behind recording and sharing team meetings on YouTube

    • Their extensive public employee handbook

    • GitLab’s core value of having “short toes”

    • Challenges and advice for doing remote work well

    • Strategies for ensuring effective communication in a remote work environment

    • GitLab’s breadth-over-depth strategy

    • The company’s unique approach to AI

    • The value of using humor in high-stakes conversations

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    Where to find David DeSanto:

    • X: https://twitter.com/david_desanto

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ddesanto/

    • Threads: https://www.threads.net/@david.the.beard

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) David’s background

    (04:20) Maintaining an epic beard

    (05:29) Why GitLab publicly shares team meetings

    (09:49) The GitLab Handbook

    (11:30) GitLab’s issue tracker

    (14:29) How to successfully build a culture of transparency

    (18:11) Benefits of operating with transparency

    (19:55) The value of building in public

    (21:53) How GitLab implements their core value of kindness

    (25:16) What it means to have “short toes”

    (27:41) Other core values

    (32:16) Common reasons for not fitting in at GitLab

    (34:42) Advice for remote teams

    (42:04) Advice for getting into product

    (43:52) Advice for PMs who are struggling in a remote world

    (48:25) Specific tools that help with remote work

    (53:13) Time zones and remote work

    (57:18) Breadth-over-depth strategy

    (01:04:14) AI at GitLab

    (01:13:11) GitLab’s products and solutions

    (01:14:54) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • GitLab: https://about.gitlab.com/

    • UX Showcase—David DeSanto introduction to UX team and AMA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEdsmnVKNj4

    • The GitLab Handbook: https://handbook.gitlab.com/

    • Sid Sijbrandij on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sijbrandij/

    • Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com/

    • GitLab issues: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/issues/

    • Salesforce: https://www.salesforce.com/

    • GitLab values: https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/values

    • GitLab organizational structure: https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/company/structure

    • GitLab direction: https://about.gitlab.com/direction/

    • Dogfooding: A simple practice to help you build better products: https://medium.com/agileinsider/dogfooding-a-simple-practice-to-help-you-build-better-products-b5954af4d5f7

    • The ultimate guide to adding a PLG motion | Hila Qu (Reforge, GitLab): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-adding-a-plg

    • Zigging vs. zagging: How HubSpot built a $30B company | Dharmesh Shah (co-founder/CTO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-30-years-of-building

    • HubSpot: https://www.hubspot.com/

    Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling Disruptive Products to Mainstream Customers: https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Chasm-3rd-Disruptive-Mainstream/dp/0062292986

    • Geoffrey Moore on finding your beachhead, crossing the chasm, and dominating a market: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/geoffrey-moore-on-finding-your-beachhead-crossing-the-chasm-and-dominating-a-market/

    • Open-core model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-core_model

    • GitLab Duo: https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-duo/

    • GitLab Docs: https://docs.gitlab.com/

    • Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/

    • GitLab Acquires UnReview to Expand Its DevOps Platform with Machine Learning Capabilities: https://about.gitlab.com/press/releases/2021-06-02-gitlab-acquires-unreview-machine-learning-capabilities/

    Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less: https://www.amazon.com/Essentialism-Disciplined-Pursuit-Greg-McKeown/dp/0804137382

    • The Mission Critical Core/Context Model for Product Managers: https://secretpmhandbook.com/the-mission-critical-corecontext-model-for-product-managers/

    The Devil’s Hour on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-devils-hour/umc.cmc.3zw4tyzd4lvor5mwhujms63x3

    Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81458416

    • Taylor Swift’s The Eras Tour on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/TAYLOR-SWIFT-ERAS-EXTENDED-VERSION/dp/B0CP99SN2B

    • The STAR method: https://capd.mit.edu/resources/the-star-method-for-behavioral-interviews/

    • Artifact News: https://artifact.news/

    • Superhuman: https://superhuman.com/

    • Arc browser: https://arc.net/

    • An inside look at how The Browser Company builds product: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/competing-with-giants-an-inside-look

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    A framework for finding product-market fit | Todd Jackson (First Round Capital)

    A framework for finding product-market fit | Todd Jackson (First Round Capital)

    Todd Jackson is a Partner at First Round Capital. Before moving into venture capital, he played a crucial role as VP of Product and Design at Dropbox, guiding the company until its IPO in 2018. Prior to Dropbox, Todd led product management for Twitter’s Content and Discovery teams after selling his startup, Cover, to Twitter in 2014. Before Cover, Todd oversaw product development for Facebook’s Newsfeed, Photos, and Groups. He kickstarted his career at Google as an associate product manager and eventually led product for Gmail, witnessing its growth from beta to 200 million users. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why product-market fit (PMF) matters

    • First Round Capital’s four-part PMF framework

    • Level one: Nascent product-market fit

    • Level two: Developing product-market fit

    • Level three: Strong product-market fit

    • Level four: Extreme product-market fit

    • Examples of companies at each level

    • How to know if you’re stuck at a level, and how to get unstuck

    • What to change if you’re stuck: persona, problem, promise, and product

    • The goals and challenges at each stage

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    Where to find Todd Jackson:

    • X: https://twitter.com/tjack

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddj0/

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Todd’s background

    (06:07) First Round Capital’s PMF framework

    (09:07) Why product-market fit is so important

    (11:02) Who can benefit from this framework

    (12:55) The product-market fit method

    (16:54) Broad overview of the framework

    (21:35) Level one: nascent product-market fit

    (33:16) The four P’s

    (39:13) Level two: developing product-market fit

    (49:13) Signs you’re stuck at level two, and what to do

    (55:12) Level three: strong product-market fit

    (01:00:17) Signs you’re stuck at level three, and what to do

    (01:02:22) Level four: extreme product-market fit

    (01:06:55) Rough timelines for each level

    (01:11:18) A quick recap of the framework

    (01:12:15) Diving deeper on the four P’s: what to do if you’re stuck

    (01:13:56) Dollar-driven discovery

    (01:25:11) Apply for the product-market-fit method program

    Referenced:

    • First Round: https://firstround.com/

    • Twitter Acquires Cover: https://www.vox.com/2014/4/7/11625332/twitter-acquires-cover-an-android-mobile-startup

    • Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/

    • Rahul Vohra on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahulvohra/

    • How Superhuman Built an Engine to Find Product Market Fit: https://review.firstround.com/how-superhuman-built-an-engine-to-find-product-market-fit/

    • How to validate your startup idea: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/validating-your-startup-idea

    • How the most successful B2B startups came up with their original idea: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-the-most-successful-b2b-startups

    • How to know if you’ve got product-market fit: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-know-if-youve-got-productmarket

    • A guide for finding product-market fit in B2B: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/finding-product-market-fit

    • Product-market fit method: http://pmf.firstround.com/

    • Stripe: https://stripe.com/

    • Plaid: https://plaid.com/

    • Paths to PMF: https://review.firstround.com/series/product-market-fit/

    • WeWork: https://www.wework.com/

    • Casper: https://casper.com/

    • Vanta: https://www.vanta.com/

    • Christina Cacioppo on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ccacioppo/

    • Ramp: https://ramp.com/

    • Velocity over everything: How Ramp became the fastest-growing SaaS startup of all time | Geoff Charles (VP of Product): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/velocity-over-everything-how-ramp-became-the-fastest-growing-saas-startup-of-all-time-geoff-charl/

    • Jack Altman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackealtman/

    • Lattice: https://lattice.com/

    • Zachary Perret on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zperret/

    • Positioning: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/positioning

    • Retool: https://retool.com/

    • David Hsu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dvdhsu/

    • Persona: https://withpersona.com/

    • Rick Song on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-song-25198b24/

    • Lloyd Tabb on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydtabb/

    • Looker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looker_(company)

    • Jason Boehmig on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jboehmig/

    • Ironclad: https://ironcladapp.com/

    • Lessons in leadership | Scaling an org and tactical management advice | Jack Altman (Lattice): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZzXqf61mrQ

    • Filip Kaliszan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaliszan/

    • Verkada: https://www.verkada.com/

    • Ali Ghodsi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alighodsi/

    • Databricks: https://www.databricks.com/

    • Stripe Radar: https://stripe.com/radar

    • Stripe Atlas: https://stripe.com/atlas

    • Square Stand: https://squareup.com/shop/hardware/us/en/products/ipad-pos-stand-integrated-card-reader

    • Cash App: https://cash.app/

    • Square Checking: https://squareup.com/us/en/campaign/banking/checking

    • Square Loan: https://squareup.com/help/us/en/article/5654-get-started-with-square-capital

    • Casey Winters on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseywinters/

    • How to sell your ideas and rise within your company | Casey Winters, Eventbrite: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/how-to-sell-your-ideas-and-rise-within-your-company-casey-winters-eventbrite/

    • Josh Kopelman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jkopelman/

    • The art and science of pricing | Madhavan Ramanujam (Monetizing Innovation, Simon-Kucher): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/videos/the-art-and-science-of-pricing-madhavan-ramanujam-monetizing-innovation-simon-kucher/

    • Simon Kucher: https://www.simon-kucher.com/

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    Bending the universe in your favor | Claire Vo (LaunchDarkly, Color, Optimizely, ChatPRD)

    Bending the universe in your favor | Claire Vo (LaunchDarkly, Color, Optimizely, ChatPRD)

    Claire Vo is the chief product officer at LaunchDarkly and the founder of ChatPRD, likely the most popular PM-specific AI product out there. Before LaunchDarkly, she was a longtime chief product officer at Color and Optimizely. Claire has founded and managed two other companies, Pretty HQ and Experiment Engine, the latter of which Optimizely acquired in 2017. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Knowing what you want in your career and being clear about it

    • Finding your zone of genius and how to operate within it

    • How to maintain a fast pace in larger companies

    • How to make it easy for your boss to help you achieve your goals

    • Advice for navigating the tech industry as a woman

    • The role of a CPTO and the benefits it brings to organizations

    • Why she built ChatPRD

    • Tips for building your own AI tools

    • The impact of AI on product management and what skills will continue to be important

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    Where to find Claire Vo:

    • X: https://twitter.com/clairevo

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairevo/

    • TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@chiefproductofficer

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

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    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Claire’s background

    (04:50) How to achieve career progression

    (10:11) Avoiding promotion obsession

    (13:50) How Claire stepped into leadership roles

    (17:24) Operating in your zone of genius

    (23:03) How to maintain a fast pace

    (27:46) Setting a high bar for quality and talent

    (29:54) Normalizing feedback

    (33:09) Being a woman in tech

    (47:09) The role of a CPTO

    (54:19) Building ChatPRD

    (59:39) Tips for building a GPT

    (01:02:27) The impact of AI on product management

    (01:08:08) How AI is changing the product management role

    (01:14:36) Efficiency gains with ChatPRD

    (01:16:39) Contrarian corner: sales-led product organizations

    (01:20:11) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • LaunchDarkly: https://launchdarkly.com/

    • Define your zone of genius: Laura Garnett at TEDxMillRiver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ7_r2oWlrw

    • Energy Audit: https://beta.mocharymethod.com/blog-post/energy-audit

    • How to fire people with grace, work through fear, and nurture innovation | Matt Mochary: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/videos/how-to-fire-people-with-grace-work-through-fear-and-nurture-innovation-matt-mochary/

    • Radical Candor: From theory to practice with author Kim Scott: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/radical-candor-from-theory-to-practice-with-author-kim-scott/

    • Optimizely: https://www.optimizely.com/

    • GitLab: https://about.gitlab.com/

    • ChatPRD: https://www.chatprd.ai/

    • You should be playing with GPTs at work: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/you-should-be-playing-with-gpts-at

    • SpaceX’s Starship: https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/starship/

    • GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot

    • Product management theater | Marty Cagan (Silicon Valley Product Group): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/product-management-theater-marty-cagan-silicon-valley-product-group/

    High Growth Handbook: Scaling Startups from 10 to 10,000 People: https://www.amazon.com/High-Growth-Handbook-Elad-Gil/dp/1732265100

    Scaling People: Tactics for Management and Company Building: https://www.amazon.com/Scaling-People-Tactics-Management-Building/dp/1953953212

    • Stripe Press: https://press.stripe.com/

    Circe: https://www.amazon.com/Circe-Madeline-Miller/dp/0316556327

    Poor Things: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14230458/

    Mythic Quest on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/mythic-quest/umc.cmc.1nfdfd5zlk05fo1bwwetzldy3

    Silicon Valley on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/silicon-valley

    • Chrysler Pacifica: https://www.chrysler.com/pacifica.html

    • Waymo: https://waymo.com/

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    Zigging vs. zagging: How HubSpot built a $30B company | Dharmesh Shah (co-founder/CTO)

    Zigging vs. zagging: How HubSpot built a $30B company | Dharmesh Shah (co-founder/CTO)

    Dharmesh Shah is the co-founder and CTO of HubSpot (currently valued at $30 billion) and one of the most fascinating founders I’ve ever met. Dharmesh is the keeper of HubSpot’s Culture Code, built ChatSpot (an AI chatbot built on top of HubSpot CRM) and a game called WordPlay (which grew to 16 million users), and also founded and writes for OnStartups, a top-ranking startup blog and community with more than 1M members. He’s also invested in 100+ startups including OpenAI, AngelList, Coinbase, and Dropbox. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The biggest lessons he has learned from building HubSpot

    • The importance of leaning into your strengths

    • Dharmesh’s data-oriented approach to public speaking

    • How he developed HubSpot’s culture code

    • The decision-making process at HubSpot

    • His contrarian approach to building products

    • Why founders and product teams are all fighting the second law of thermodynamics

    • How “flash tags” can save your teams time

    • How to decide what ideas are worth investing in

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    Find the full transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-30-years-of-building

    Where to find Dharmesh Shah:

    • X: https://twitter.com/dharmesh

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dharmesh/

    • Website: https://dharmesh.com/

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

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    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Dharmesh’s background

    (04:20) Fun facts about Dharmesh

    (06:31) His data-oriented approach to public speaking

    (11:45) Advice for adding humor to your presentations

    (15:28) Why he has no direct reports

    (18:46) You can shape the universe to your liking

    (20:02) Lessons from building HubSpot

    (23:43) Contrarian ways of running a company

    (37:26) Fighting the second law of thermodynamics

    (40:29) The importance of simplicity in running a business

    (45:22) Succeeding in the SMB market

    (50:29) Zigging when others are zagging

    (54:17) When it makes sense to go “wide and deep”

    (57:33) Using flashtags to communicate opinions

    (01:02:44) HubSpot’s decision-making process

    (01:09:41) Deciding what ideas to invest in

    (01:15:26) Defining and maintaining company culture

    (01:30:46) The potential of AI

    (01:37:03) Practical advice for learning AI

    (01:40:07) Where to find Dharmesh

    Referenced:

    • WordPlay: https://wordplay.com/article/unlimited

    • ChatSpot: https://chatspot.ai/

    • Indian-origin entrepreneur buys ‘chat.com’ for over $10 million, then sells, donates $250,000 to Khan Academy: https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/indian-origin-entrepreneur-buys-chatcom-for-over-10-million-then-sells-donates-250000-to-khan-academy-382907-2023-05-26

    • Kipp Bodnar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kippbodnar/

    • The surprising metric presenters should analyze: https://lars-sudmann.com/the-surprising-metric-presenters-should-analyze/

    • SoloWare: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dharmesh_for-3-decades-now-in-addition-to-my-day-activity-7166500611247583232-kZgb/

    • Brian Halligan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianhalligan/

    • First Principles: Elon Musk on the Power of Thinking for Yourself: https://jamesclear.com/first-principles

    • Peter Thiel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterthiel/

    • The second law of thermodynamics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

    • What is an SMB?: https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/SMB-small-and-medium-sized-business-or-small-and-midsized-business

    • Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/

    • Relentless curiosity, radical accountability, and HubSpot’s winning growth formula | Christopher Miller (VP of Product, Growth and AI): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/relentless-curiosity-radical-accountability-and-hubspots-winning-growth-formula-christopher-mil/

    • FlashTags: A Simple Hack for Conveying Context Without Confusion: https://www.onstartups.com/flashtags-a-simple-hack-for-conveying-context-without-confusion

    • What it means to “disagree and commit”: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16949021

    • A Simple Decision Framework: Debate, Decide and Unite: https://connectingdots.com/p/debate-decide-unite

    • Dharmesh Shah’s Frameworks for Creating a $1 Billion Net Worth: https://hakune.co/dharmesh-shah-networth/

    • Zip: https://ziphq.com/

    • The HubSpot Culture Code: Creating a Company We Love: https://blog.hubspot.com/blog/tabid/6307/bid/34234/the-hubspot-culture-code-creating-a-company-we-love.aspx

    • How defining values and culture helped Airbnb achieve worldwide success: https://lattice.com/library/how-defining-values-and-culture-helped-airbnb-achie

    • What is SQL?: https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/sql/

    • GrowthBot: https://community.hubspot.com/t5/Releases-and-Updates/Meet-GrowthBot-from-HubSpot-Labs/ba-p/417985

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    How to speak more confidently and persuasively | Matt Abrahams (professor, podcast host, author, speaker)

    How to speak more confidently and persuasively | Matt Abrahams (professor, podcast host, author, speaker)

    Matt Abrahams is a renowned communication expert, with decades of teaching, coaching, and consulting experience. At Stanford University, he teaches a business school class on strategic communication. Beyond academia, he’s a sought-after keynote speaker and consultant, guiding presenters from IPO road shows to prestigious platforms like TED, the World Economic Forum, and the United Nations. His acclaimed podcast, Think Fast, Talk Smart, garners millions of listeners, and his book, Think Faster, Talk Smarter, equips speakers with practical skills for impromptu success. With a previous bestseller, Speaking Up Without Freaking Out, Matt has empowered countless individuals to speak confidently and authentically. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The concept of “daring to be dull”

    • The power of visualization to desensitize oneself to speaking situations

    • Managing negative self-talk

    • The WHAT structure for delivering toasts (why we are here, how you are connected, anecdote, thanks)

    • The ADD structure for Q&As (answer, detailed example, describe relevance)

    • Breathing techniques to reduce anxiety, such as the double exhale

    • Concrete speaking structures like What? So What? Now What? and the Four I’s (information, impact, invitation, implications)

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-speak-more-confidently-and

    Where to find Matt Abrahams:

    • X: https://twitter.com/tftsthepod

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maabrahams/

    • Website: https://mattabrahams.com/

    • Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ll0MwobDt1JW9gYaOONEo

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Matt’s background

    (04:50) Techniques for managing anxiety in public speaking

    (10:57) Dare to be dull

    (13:40) Reframing anxiety as excitement

    (16:08) Using mantras to boost confidence

    (18:45) Managing negative self-talk

    (20:03) Normalizing speaking anxiety

    (23:12) Using conversation as a communication technique

    (24:52) Using the double-exhale breathing technique

    (28:29) Getting present-oriented

    (29:46) Using tongue twisters

    (33:34) Broad advice for speaking on the spot

    (38:35) The PREP structure

    (38:59) The What? So What? Now What? structure

    (42:10) Toastmasters and improv

    (45:31) Getting better at small talk

    (51:05) The importance of sharing back

    (52:33) Giving feedback

    (56:31) Improving toasts and tributes

    (01:02:57) Mastering Q&A sessions

    (01:07:25) Apologizing effectively

    (01:09:29) Closing thoughts

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    Kunal Shah on winning in India, second-order thinking, the philosophy of startups, and more

    Kunal Shah on winning in India, second-order thinking, the philosophy of startups, and more

    Kunal Shah is one of the most well-known and admired product leaders in India. He is the CEO and founder of CRED, an Indian-based fintech startup valued at over $6 billion. Prior to CRED, he founded three other startups, including Freecharge, which he sold for over $400 million to Snapdeal. He has also been an advisor to India’s most influential organizations. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The prevalence of successful Indian immigrants in top CEO roles across the tech industry

    • Why companies in India can grow DAUs but not ARPU—and what that means for building products for India

    • What most sets India’s market apart

    • Challenges and opportunities in the Indian market

    • The Delta 4 framework for building new products

    • Lessons from building CRED so far

    • The power of curiosity and second-order thinking

    • Lessons from failure

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/kunal-shah-on-winning-in-india-second

    Where to find Kunal Shah:

    • X: https://twitter.com/kunalb11

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kunalshah1/

    • Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@CRED_club

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Kunal’s background

    (04:22) The Delta 4 framework

    (11:00) The success of Indian CEOs in the U.S.

    (19:55) Challenges and opportunities in India

    (23:04) DAUs vs. ARPU in Indian markets

    (25:50) The perception of time in India

    (27:55) The curse of focus in Asian markets

    (30:33) Challenges and opportunities in India (continued)

    (33:23) Lessons learned from building CRED

    (36:40) Profit pools can provide valuable insights into the values of a country

    (37:55) Founders’ role in company growth

    (39:55) Profitability and Indian business culture

    (43:24) Advice for staying positive amid criticism

    (44:41) The promising market in India

    (47:35) The power of curiosity

    (52:59) Who Kunal looks up to

    (55:31) Kunal’s favorite sources of content

    (58:42) Asking great questions

    (01:02:54) Contrarian corner: Wealth is nothing but storage of energy

    (01:05:26) Failure corner

    (01:08:57) Closing thoughts: Share your learnings

    (01:09:38) Lightning round

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    The ultimate guide to PR | Emilie Gerber (founder of Six Eastern)

    The ultimate guide to PR | Emilie Gerber (founder of Six Eastern)

    Emilie Gerber is the founder and CEO of Six Eastern, a top PR agency that’s worked with over 100 tech companies, from stealth startups to publicly traded companies. Before starting her own firm, she worked at Uber, where she led PR for the business development team and B2B programs. Prior to that, she worked at Box on product communications, with a focus on product launches and partnership announcements. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why, and when, getting press is worth your time

    • Common misconceptions about the impact press can have

    • The second-order effects of press

    • Which areas each publication (TechCrunch, Axios, The Verge, etc.) cares most about

    • How to craft your pitch

    • How to find and reach reporters

    • How pitching press is different from pitching customers

    • The effectiveness of direct communication through social media versus traditional press

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    Find the full transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-pr-emilie-gerber

    Where to find Emilie Gerber:

    • Substack: http://onbackgroundintel.substack.com

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilie-gerber-59612230/

    • Website: https://sixeastern.com/

    • Email: hello@sixeastern.com

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Emilie’s background

    (04:56) The value of press and second-order effects

    (13:00) When press is not worth your time

    (17:01) Different publications and their suitability

    (25:36) Avoiding negative stories

    (27:23) Finding aligned podcasts and awards

    (31:12) Advice for reaching out to reporters

    (37:23) Controversial pitches

    (41:16) Avoiding category creation

    (43:26) Examples of pitches that have worked well

    (53:32) Pitching to Lenny

    (55:46) Effective pitching strategies

    (57:45) Improving pitch announcements

    (01:03:01) Press releases

    (01:07:06) Crafting a compelling story

    (01:09:43) Traditional press vs. newsletters, podcasts, and social media

    (01:15:50) Building a social media presence

    (01:17:51) How to get a Morning Brew feature

    (01:19:32) Advice on choosing a PR agency

    (01:22:25) Timing and budget for PR

    (01:25:39) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Perplexity: https://www.perplexity.ai/

    • Who is Lenny Rachitsky? And what does he know that you don’t about making millions writing online?: https://www.fastcompany.com/90940453/lenny-rachitsky-newsletter-podcast-job-board-substack

    • 42-year-old brings in an average of $41,000 a month from his podcast and works on it just 5 hours a week: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/11/lenny-rachitsky-podcast-brings-in-more-than-500k-a-year-heres-how.html

    • How This Newsletter Writer Got More Than 300,000 Subscribers, and Now Makes “Significantly More” Than He Did at His Day Job: https://www.entrepreneur.com/starting-a-business/how-this-newsletter-writer-got-more-than-300000/447172

    Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/

    • Contraline: https://www.contraline.com/

    Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/

    • TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/

    • Axios: https://www.axios.com/

    Fortune: https://fortune.com/

    • Term Sheet: https://fortune.com/tag/term-sheet/

    The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/

    Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/

    New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/

    • Found podcast: https://techcrunch.com/tag/found/

    • Equity podcast: https://techcrunch.com/tag/equity-podcast/

    • VentureBeat: https://venturebeat.com/

    Fast Company: https://www.fastcompany.com/

    • Clockwise: https://www.getclockwise.com

    • Shopify deleted 322,000 hours of meetings. Should the rest of us be jealous?: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/15/1156804295/shopify-delete-meetings-zoom-virtual-productivity

    • Shopify canceled all recurring meetings. Should you too?: https://www.getclockwise.com/blog/shopify-cancels-meetings

    • Shopify’s new meeting cost calculator is well intentioned—but it’s not addressing the issue: https://www.fastcompany.com/90930137/shopifys-new-meeting-cost-calculator-is-well-intentioned-but-its-not-addressing-the-issue

    • Matt Martin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/voxmatt/

    • Ramp: https://ramp.com/welcome

    • Corporate card start-up Ramp targets Bill.com with free payments software: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/26/corporate-cards-ramp-targets-billcom-with-free-payments-software.html

    • Bill: https://www.bill.com/

    • Velocity over everything: How Ramp became the fastest-growing SaaS startup of all time | Geoff Charles (VP of Product): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/velocity-over-everything-how-ramp-became-the-fastest-growing-saas-startup-of-all-time-geoff-charl/

    • Column Tax: https://www.columntax.com/

    • Propel: https://www.joinpropel.com/

    • Gamma: https://gamma.app/

    • Gamma brings in $7M to bring the slide deck into the 21st century: https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/28/gamma-brings-in-7m-to-bring-the-slide-deck-into-the-21st-century/

    • NewBank: https://www.newbankusa.com/

    • Backed by a16z, Relay races to market with Zapier in its crosshairs: https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/11/relay-a16z-zapier-google/

    • Zapier: https://zapier.com/

    • Rajiv Ayyangar’s thread on X about tag lines: https://twitter.com/rajivayyangar/status/1758179077629100482

    • Entropy: https://entropytechnologydesign.com/

    • Money 20/20: https://www.money2020.com/

    • Jim Bankoff on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimbankoff/

    • Ramping Up: https://www.notboring.co/p/ramping-up

    • Aaron Levie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/boxaaron/

    • Aaron Levie on X: https://twitter.com/levie

    • Duolingo on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@duolingo

    • Morning Brew: https://www.morningbrew.com/

    • Tech Brew: https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/

    • HR Brew: https://www.hr-brew.com/

    • Mark Zuckerberg on Morning Brew Daily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQqsvRHjas4&t=1309s

    How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence: https://www.amazon.com/Change-Your-Mind-Consciousness-Transcendence/dp/1594204225

    The Walking Dead on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/70177057

    Yellowjackets on Paramount+: https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/yellowjackets/

    The Last of Us on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us

    • Apple Vision Pro: https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro

    • TNB Tech Minute: Startup Perplexity Challenges Google With AI Search: https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/tnb-tech-minute-startup-perplexity-challenges-google-with-ai-search/984362d5-a8f0-48b4-8b55-ad7e570a74d2

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    The happiness and pain of product management | Noam Lovinsky (Grammarly, Facebook, YouTube, Thumbtack)

    The happiness and pain of product management | Noam Lovinsky (Grammarly, Facebook, YouTube, Thumbtack)

    Noam Lovinsky has had a distinguished career in product, leaving an indelible mark at Facebook, YouTube, Thumbtack, and currently as the chief product officer at Grammarly. At Facebook, Noam helped establish the New Product Experimentation team; at Thumbtack, he was chief product officer; and at YouTube, he was one of the early product leaders overseeing the consumer experience. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Challenges and lessons from reviving growth at YouTube and Thumbtack

    • Lessons from building Facebook’s New Product Experimentation team

    • Insights into Grammarly’s success

    • Knowing when it’s time to kill your project

    • Why diversifying your growth channels is critical

    • The power of visioning and storytelling in shaping product strategy

    • How to create space for innovation at large companies

    • The resilience and motivation of Grammarly’s team in Ukraine

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    Find the full transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-happiness-and-pain-of-product

    Where to find Noam Lovinsky:

    • X: https://twitter.com/noaml

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noaml/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Noam’s background

    (04:18) Noam’s lack of online presence

    (08:06) Lessons from YouTube: advocating for what’s best for yourself and the team

    (14:31) Prioritizing what’s best for the business

    (19:37) Knowing when it’s time to kill a project

    (21:47) Lessons from Thumbtack: diversifying growth channels and overcoming challenges

    (26:24) How Thumbtack turned growth around

    (31:44) Building Airbnb’s instant booking feature

    (35:28) Lessons from Thumbtack: team collaboration and product strategy

    (38:38) Lessons from Facebook: building the New Product Experimentation team

    (40:43) The importance of starting small and building community density

    (46:07) Advice for building a startup within a startup

    (48:52) Having an incentive system

    (49:34) Lessons from Grammarly: adapting to changing user needs and building for the masses

    (54:20) The scrappiness and profitability of Grammarly

    (56:56) The resilience and motivation of the Grammarly team in Ukraine

    (59:08) General career advice

    (01:01:02) When to pull back

    (01:02:58) Closing thoughts

    (01:03:56) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Substack: https://substack.com/

    • Hunter Walk on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hunterwalk/

    • The rituals of great teams | Shishir Mehrotra of Coda, YouTube, Microsoft: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/the-rituals-of-great-teams-shishir-mehrotra-coda-youtube-microsoft/

    • Salar Kamangar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/salar-kamangar-5a059712/

    • Grammarly: https://www.grammarly.com/

    • Thumbtack: https://www.thumbtack.com/

    • FRED on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/FRED

    • How Airbnb Proved That Storytelling Is the Most Important Skill in Design: https://www.inc.com/yazin-akkawi/the-surprising-technique-airbnb-uses-to-better-sell-an-experience.html

    • Google+: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%2B

    • Marco Zappacosta on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcozappacosta/

    • Bryan Schreier on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryanschreier/

    • Whitney Steele on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/whitneydsteele/

    • David Shein on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidshein/

    • The magic of thinking big, by Lenny Rachitsky: https://www.mindtheproduct.com/the-magic-of-thinking-big-by-lenny-rachitsky/

    • What Seven Years at Airbnb Taught Me About Building a Business: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/what-seven-years-at-airbnb-taught

    • New apps, new experiences: NPE Team, from Facebook: https://tech.facebook.com/engineering/2019/7/npe-team-from-facebook/

    • The Origin Story of the BRC Trash Fence: https://journal.burningman.org/2016/05/black-rock-city/leaving-no-trace/the-origin-story-of-the-brc-trash-fence/

    • Nike opens high-tech research and innovation lab: https://www.just-style.com/news/nike-opens-high-tech-research-and-innovation-lab/

    • ChatGPT: https://chat.openai.com/

    • Microsoft Copilot: https://copilot.microsoft.com/

    • How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/how-to-grow-a-subscription-business-yuriy-timen-grammarly-canva-airtable/

    • “The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek”: https://gointothestory.blcklst.com/the-cave-you-fear-to-enter-holds-the-treasure-you-seek-d624e28c3848

    Build: An Unorthodox Guide to Making Things Worth Making: https://www.amazon.com/Build-Unorthodox-Guide-Making-Things/dp/0063046067

    For All Mankind on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/for-all-mankind/umc.cmc.6wsi780sz5tdbqcf11k76mkp7

    Fargo TV series on Hulu: https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/fargo

    • Arc browser: https://arc.net/

    • Competing with giants: An inside look at how The Browser Company builds product | Josh Miller (CEO): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/competing-with-giants-an-inside-look-at-how-the-browser-company-builds-product-josh-miller-ceo/

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