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    Ryan Holiday ON: The Importance of Being Disciplined With Our Ambition & How to Get Comfortable with Change

    Stoicism teaches us to focus on what we can control, our response to situations. By accepting the present moment and seeing it as an opportunity to grow, we can find beauty and peace in even the most difficult of circumstances.

    enMay 08, 2023

    About this Episode

    Today, I sit down with Ryan Holiday to talk about living a life of discipline. Ryan and I share our thoughts and opinions on the different forms of disciplines and how they are formed in different cultures, the value of your time and with whom are you spending most of it, and how to be more kind to yourself and make decisions that are more centered on your well-being. 

    Ryan Holiday is an author, marketer, and entrepreneur. He is known for his writings on Stoicism and has written several books on the subject, including "The Obstacle is the Way," "Ego is the Enemy," and "The Daily Stoic." He has also worked as a marketing strategist for companies such as American Apparel and has written several other books on topics such as growth hacking and media manipulation. Ryan hosts the popular podcast, The Daily Stoic.

    You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive show where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon.

    What We Discuss:

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 04:25 What is the real meaning of discipline in different cultures?
    • 06:40 How do you overpower your own mind and learn to argue with yourself?
    • 11:05 Discipline has to be balanced with sustainability, rest, and so much more.
    • 16:22 If you look at your life calendar, whom are you spending most of your time with?
    • 22:05 All the things we want in life are accidental byproducts of getting big things right.
    • 23:38 What is the hardest discipline you’ve ever practiced?
    • 29:21 Optimizing your personal life will make other things much easier to manage.
    • 36:25 It’s never too easy to sit down with your thoughts but you can learn to get comfortable with it. 
    • 40:22 Are you getting better at becoming a better friend to yourself?
    • 44:14 We can’t control what happens, but we can control how we respond to it.
    • 48:25 How important is it for us to go through something difficult and grow the muscle to overcome it?
    • 53:52 Ryan explains the importance of making choices that derive positive benefits in the most difficult situations. 
    • 01:00:40 You are bound to get disappointed by attaching to an outcome that is not yours.
    •  01:02:41 Different people have different ways of consuming information and we should respect that.
    • 01:09:44 When you create a lot of valuable things in life, the returns may double.
    • 01:12:05 Why should you allow yourself to become different things?
    • 01:17:16 Don’t be a copy of your former self, continue to take a leap whenever you can. 

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Maintaining balance and moderation is key to a sustainable and fulfilling life. Cultivating discipline and self-control helps us avoid excess and focus on what is truly necessary for our well-being.
    • To avoid regret and achieve contentment, it's important to discipline ourselves by resisting temporary pleasures and focusing on long-term goals. Success doesn't necessarily bring happiness, so practicing self-awareness and taking a step back to unpack our beliefs is crucial for personal growth.
    • Self-discipline is key for success, but it's important to balance it with rest and relaxation. Make conscious decisions and manage time effectively. Breaks and boundaries can lead to increased productivity. Don't forget to take care of yourself in the long-term.
    • It's crucial to choose wisely when it comes to emotions, opinions, and instincts. Make time for loved ones, recognize the value in saying no, use dad guilt to make better decisions, and remember that love is shown through investing time in what truly matters.
    • Conduct a time and money audit to identify your true values. Develop habits aligned with your priorities and focus on taking the right actions. Use guilt as a signal to make changes and shift from feeling to thinking to achieve lasting success.
    • Balancing sedentary tasks with physical activity and pushing ourselves outside of our comfort zone in personal aspects leads to growth and success. Start small and make continuous progress.
    • Focusing on building positive personal relationships through disciplined habits can lead to overall happiness, both professionally and personally. Breaking bad habits requires effort, but the payoff is worth it.
    • Consistent, small steps towards improvement, accommodating personal relationships, finding discipline, embracing intentionality, and recognizing limitations are crucial for seeking discomfort and achieving growth in both personal and professional life.
    • Daily habits, discipline, and self-awareness are crucial for staying focused and becoming comfortable with oneself. Seek guidance from a coach or mentor for transformation over time.
    • Practicing discipline takes time and patience. It involves hiring a coach, setting achievable goals, and acknowledging progress along the way. Setbacks can lead to mindfulness and acceptance of limited control over life.
    • Stoicism teaches us to focus on what we can control, our response to situations. By accepting the present moment and seeing it as an opportunity to grow, we can find beauty and peace in even the most difficult of circumstances.
    • Embrace challenging situations as opportunities for growth and reframing negative thoughts lead to a growth mindset. The pandemic is a chance for developing resilience in uncertain times.
    • Use the Stockdale paradox to accept reality and make positive choices. Learn from changes forced by COVID-19 to improve communication and create new perspectives fused with old, leading to self-improvement.
    • Set goals within your control and stay focused on becoming a better person rather than being solely concerned with external results. True success comes from being honest about your goals and not letting external factors demotivate you.
    • Creating authentic work requires honesty, commitment, and a willingness to prioritize serving the audience over seeking validation. Translating work into different mediums can help reach wider audiences while staying true to one's values. Ultimately, the goal should be to benefit people's understanding and knowledge.
    • Don't solely measure success by sales or followers. Creating impactful content with pure intentions can be a win, and personal growth can be the primary beneficiary. Commercial success can be a byproduct. Refine your intention, believe in yourself, and put in the hours.
    • To achieve lasting success, it's important to constantly work on improving and expanding your skills, seeking guidance from mentors, and staying curious. Coasting or becoming complacent may lead to decreased skills and hinder future success.
    • Embrace personal growth by avoiding limits, doing hard things, and taking risks. Success should not make us afraid to try new things or pursue multiple passions. Be disciplined in the journey towards a multidimensional life.
    • Success should come from internal fulfillment, not external recognition. Developing skills of courage and discipline can lead to growth and taking detours. Recommended books can help in personal development.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    The Importance of Discipline and Self-Control in Sustainable Living

    In a world of pleasure-seeking and addiction, the topic of discipline and self-control may seem unsexy, but it is necessary for sustainable and balanced living. The ancient practice of temperance, or the right amount of moderation, reminds us that any pleasure taken too far can become a source of pain or suffering. It is important to have wisdom and self-control to determine the right amount and to stop at that line. The epicurean belief that too much pleasure leads to pain aligns with the stoic philosophy of balancing pleasure and wisdom. To achieve sustainable living, we must cultivate the discipline to avoid what is unnecessary and focus on what is sustainable.

    The Importance of Discipline, Self-Awareness, and Contentment

    The ability to step back and consider the consequences of our actions is important to avoid regret and achieve contentment. Our minds can trick us into believing that we need something in the moment, but discipline is required to resist temporary pleasures in pursuit of long-term goals. The lie that success will bring happiness is dangerous and prevents us from being present and content in the moment. Ambition requires discipline to avoid overtraining and burnout. Being disciplined about discipline itself is the highest level of discipline. Taking a step back, arguing with ourselves, and unpacking the stories we tell ourselves is crucial for personal growth and avoiding injury.

    Achieving Success with Balance of Self-Discipline and Rest

    Self-discipline is essential for success, but it must be balanced with rest and relaxation. It requires the ability to make conscious decisions about what actions will lead to the best outcomes, even if they are not the easiest or most comfortable. This includes recognizing the importance of sleep and managing time effectively. While working long hours may seem necessary at first, taking breaks and setting boundaries can actually lead to increased productivity. It's important to understand that discipline is not just about pushing yourself harder, but also about having the wisdom to rest and take care of yourself, so you can achieve your goals in the long-term.

    The Importance of Discipline and Prioritizing Values

    Discipline involves choosing whether to ascent or not to an emotion, opinion, or instinct. This applies to all aspects of life, including work, family, and personal pursuits. Ryan Holiday stresses the need to prioritize time with loved ones and to recognize that every yes means saying no to something else. Dad guilt can be productive if used to make better decisions that align with one's values. It is important to strive for balance and ensure that actions reflect what truly matters. Ultimately, love is spelled t i m e, and it is up to each individual to decide where to invest it.

    Discover Your Real Values and Achieve Your Goals with Action

    Discover your real values by conducting a time and money audit. Your actions, not your words, define your true values. Don't get stuck in the feeling generation. Instead, focus on creating habits, processes, systems, and routines aligned with your priorities. Happiness is an accidental byproduct of having meaning, purpose, and taking the right actions. Don't pursue happiness, let it ensue. Rather than chasing outcomes, control what you put in and the outcome will follow. Use guilt as a signal to identify areas you want to change and catch it now. Shift from feeling to thinking and doing to create lasting change and achieve your goals.

    Developing Discipline through Physical Practice and Personal Challenges

    The key to success is developing discipline in all aspects of life. While writing is a sedentary and cerebral task, balance it with a physical practice like running, swimming, or biking. Doing something hard every day builds the muscle of pushing through difficult tasks. Seneca's letter points to the importance of challenging oneself in personal life as well. We often hold ourselves to lower standards in personal aspects. We should be vulnerable and have conversations that make us uncomfortable. Not doing so costs us a lot, for example, in our relationships. Starting small and continuously pushing ourselves outside of our comfort zone is the key to growth.

    Enhancing Your Professional Life Through Personal Optimization

    Optimizing your personal life can greatly enhance your professional life and increase overall happiness. External pursuits can often lead to becoming someone you don't want to be, while internal pursuits with family and friends can lead to becoming someone you are proud of being. Discipline often gets applied more to professional pursuits, but it is crucial to apply discipline in personal relationships as well. It takes humility and self-control to improve personal relationships, as it requires meeting equals on an equal playing field. Breaking bad habits requires destroying something we hate, but focusing on building positive habits can lead to a happier and more fulfilling life in both personal and professional realms.

    Shedding Your Skin: The Natural Process of Growth and Improvement

    The key takeaway from this conversation between Jay Shetty and Ryan Holiday is that the process of growth and improvement is natural and organic, similar to how snakes shed their skin. It requires taking small steps and making minor improvements consistently, even in personal relationships where accommodating and adjusting to others is necessary. It's important to find discipline, whether it's saying 'yes' to the things that are difficult or practicing restraint by sitting quietly with one's thoughts. The Buddhist concept of 'wilful will' emphasizes the importance of intentionality, which can lead to great payoffs in both personal and professional life. Ultimately, self-awareness and recognizing one's limitations is crucial in seeking discomfort and achieving growth.

    The Importance of Stillness and Self-Awareness in a World of Distractions

    In today's world, it is harder than ever to be still and comfortable with oneself. With unlimited distractions and opportunities, discipline, self-control, and self-awareness are necessary for staying focused. It is important to understand this journey and become more comfortable with oneself, as it is the one constant in life. Those who chase pleasure and avoid stillness may wake up one day and realize they missed what was there all along. Building daily habits through education and coaching, such as cutting out sugar, can lead to transformation over time. It is essential to have a coach or mentor to guide, as knowing what to do is not enough.

    The Lifelong Journey of Discipline

    Discipline is not a one-time achievement, but a lifelong journey. It's about getting better with time and progress. The wisest people in the world struggled with self-improvement throughout their lives. Realizing this fact keeps us grounded and reminds us that we cannot rush or expect immediate results. Patience is essential in this journey. Injuries or setbacks remind us of our limited control over life, and we must learn to accept this fact and adapt. Sometimes these types of experiences can lead to a heightened sense of mindfulness, as we become more present in our bodies and minds. Practicing discipline involves hiring a coach, setting achievable goals, and acknowledging our progress along the way.

    How Stoicism Helps Us Find Peace in Challenging Situations

    Stoicism teaches us that while we cannot control what happens to us, we can control how we respond. Even the worst scenarios can be opportunities for growth and practice. Often, we struggle because we want things to go a certain way, but learning to step back and let things be can bring a sense of peace. It's important to recognize that in the future, the struggles we face today will be seen as beautiful experiences that shaped us. By accepting the present and seeing it as an opportunity to practice, we can give ourselves the gift of growth and learn to find beauty in even the most challenging situations.

    Building Discipline for Resilience and Personal Growth

    Building discipline is critical to developing resilience and personal growth. Many people have not had the opportunity to build this muscle due to being saved from difficult situations, and thus lack the necessary mindset to face challenges. Reframing negative thoughts and viewing tough experiences as transformative can lead to a growth mindset. Phil Jackson's experience of adversity through back surgery serves as an example of using difficult situations to develop a new perspective. It is important to allow ourselves and others to go through hardships and learn from them, rather than being rescued from uncomfortable situations. The COVID-19 pandemic similarly presents an opportunity for personal growth and the development of resilience.

    Embracing Stoic Philosophy in Times of Disruption

    Face disruptive events with Stoic philosophy, unflinchingly accepting the reality of the situation and simultaneously choosing to make positive choices that create new perspectives fused with old. Change and adjust, forcing oneself to communicate in different ways, verbally instead of physically, and learning from what was often taken for granted. COVID-19 is the biggest forced lifestyle experiment in human history, with numerous opportunities for making oneself better. The Stockdale paradox is embracing reality while simultaneously aiming to transform the situation into something positive. It's not about simplistically looking for the positive side. Life-changing situations can offer opportunities to make choices that derive positive benefits for self-improvement. It's about learning to fuse the old and new perspectives into something new, something better than before.

    The Importance of Focusing on What You Can Control

    In difficult times, it's crucial to focus on what you can control and not attach yourself to outcomes that are beyond your power. By setting goals that are within your control, you increase your chances of feeling good about yourself and your work, even if the external results are not what you expected. The worst mistake is pretending to aim for artistic expression but secretly judging yourself based on commercial success. True success comes from being honest with yourself about your goals and working to achieve them without getting demoralized by external factors. In short, focus on being a better person, both in personal and professional life, rather than on achieving specific results.

    Striking a Balance Between Authenticity and Accessibility in Creating and Sharing Work

    To create authentic work, one must fully and honestly commit to it and not seek validation or recognition. However, it is important to consider the audience and use platforms that are accessible and shareable for the message to reach wider audiences. As a creator, it is crucial to strike a balance between serving the audience's needs while staying true to one's values and ideas. This can be achieved by translating work into different mediums, such as long and short forms, audio and video formats, to cater to different audience preferences. Ultimately, service should be the driving force behind creating and sharing work, with the goal of benefiting people in their quest for understanding and knowledge.

    The True Measure of Success

    Success should not always be measured by sales or followers. Creating content with a pure intention of positively impacting people's lives and changing the world can be a win, even if it doesn't translate to commercial success. Most impactful ideas start non-commercially, with deep, thoughtful conversations based on ideas. When you create a lot of value with pure intentions, you can capture a small percentage of it and still be successful. It requires refining of the intention, having a sense of belief and confidence and putting in the hours. Personal growth and development can be the primary beneficiary, and commercial success can be a byproduct.

    Why Continued Growth and Skill Development are Crucial for Success

    Continued growth and skill development are essential for success and avoiding complacency. It's important to not only focus on refining current skills and seeking mentorship, but also identifying and learning new skills that may not show immediate results. Success and growth are lagging indicators of past sacrifice and commitment, therefore it's crucial to ensure that we are putting in the necessary work now for future pay-offs. The pursuit of knowledge and skill should never be viewed as a means to an end, but rather a continuous journey. Coasting and becoming stagnant will only lead to a decrease in skills and speed, potentially hindering future success.

    The Freedom to Become: Cultivating Personal Growth Through Multidimensional Living.

    To fully embrace personal growth and discover new passions, individuals must allow themselves the freedom to become different things throughout their lives. One can avoid becoming defined by their experiences by not limiting themselves to any one human experience. Cultivating the ability to do hard and challenging things, investing in being bad at something to get better, and taking risks are key to preventing personal ossification. Furthermore, success should not make us risk-averse or limit ourselves to one pursuit. Anyone can emerge through personal growth and discipline and should embrace the journey toward a multidimensional life.

    The Power of Courage and Discipline for Personal Growth

    The ability to decide whether one is successful or not should not be based on external results, but on one's own internal process. Having the key skills of courage and discipline allows one to take detours, try new things, and grow. All growth is a leap in the dark, and creators make something they lead, not follow. It's not always about systematic conversations of how to build discipline; sometimes it's about the churning of the idea and making sense of it. Ryan Holiday's book, Discipline Is Destiny, and other recommended books can help with personal growth and development. Internal fulfillment should be the goal and not just external recognition. Feedback is always encouraged and appreciated for personal insights and nuggets of wisdom.

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    How does low self-worth stop you from moving forward?

    How can you stop self-sabotage and grow personally?

    Today, let’s welcome Jamie Kern Lima. Jamie is a New York Times bestselling author, founder of IT Cosmetics, a company she started in her living room and sold to L'Oreal in a billion-dollar deal, becoming the first female CEO of a brand in its 100+ year history. She's also an active philanthropist who has funded leadership training in more than 100 prisons and shelters across the US, and has donated over $40 million in product and funds to help women face the effects of cancer with confidence. 

    Jamie and Jay ponder on the meaning of self-worth, distinguishing it from mere confidence and challenging the misguided belief that our value is tied to our physical appearance. We get to hear the detrimental effects of self-doubt and present empowering strategies to transform your relationship with rejection, offering a new perspective that fosters resilience and self-compassion. 

    And then the conversation dives deep into personal beliefs, urging us to identify and discard unhelpful misconceptions, while giving emphasis on why authenticity is crucial and its role in conjunction with other factors in achieving success. 

    In this interview, you'll learn:

    How to build self-worth

    How to distinguish confidence from self-worth

    How to handle rejection

    How to overcome self-doubt

    How to remain authentic

    Together, let's learn how to distinguish your worth from external validation, turn rejection into a stepping stone, and live authentically.

    With Love and Gratitude,

    Jay Shetty

    What We Discuss:

    00:00 Intro

    03:17 Do You Feel Worthy Today?

    10:04 Confusing Confidence with Self Worth

    17:37 Your Weight Impacts Your Worth is a Lie 

    24:03 What Has Self Doubt Cost You?

    31:25 How to Change Your Relationship with Rejection

    37:02 The 4-Part R to Reframe Rejection

    44:00 You Need This Today

    48:13 Which Lie Are You Trying to Unlearn? 

    56:32 Authenticity Alone Doesn’t Guarantee Success

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    Robin Sharma: #1 Way To Live A Rich Life & How To Change Your Money Mindset

    Robin Sharma: #1 Way To Live A Rich Life & How To Change Your Money Mindset

    What is the #1 way to live a rich life?

    How can changing your money mindset impact your life?

    Robin Sharma is a globally respected humanitarian who, for over a quarter of a century, has been devoted to helping human beings realize their native gifts. Widely considered one of the top leadership and personal mastery experts and speakers in the world, his clients include NASA, Yale University, and the Young Presidents' Organization. His #1 international bestsellers such as The Everyday Hero Manifesto, The 5AM Club, The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari, and Who Will Cry When You Die? have sold millions of copies in over ninety-two languages and dialects; making him one of the most widely read authors in the world. 

    Robin shares his wisdom on the significance of releasing resentment and redefining our relationship with wealth. He also talks about exploring the essential daily practices that promise personal growth, the complexities, and at the same time, the benefits of altering our social circles, and provides insights into nurturing a healthy relationship with money. Jay and Robin unpack the pivotal role of rest in our daily routine and productivity, and how to break free from the chains of multi-generational cultural norms.  

    In this interview you'll learn:

    How to release resentment

    How to treat money as a tool

    How to rest properly

    How to cultivate great friendships

    The daily practices to transform yourself

    Whether you're seeking to overcome generational patterns or find peace in solitude, this episode is your guide to a more fulfilled and intentional life.

    With Love and Gratitude,

    Jay Shetty

    What We Discuss:

    00:00 Intro

    04:26 Don’t Be A Resentment Collector

    08:47 Money Is Your Servant, Not Your Master

    12:33 When Are We Happiest?

    15:01 Where Do We Start?

    19:12 3 Daily Practices to Transform You

    23:37 2 Reasons Why We Can’t Change Our Circle

    27:06 Joy Is A Great GPS

    28:28 Why Rest Is A Necessity

    34:35 Breaking Multi-Generational Culture

    41:07 Why You Need to Spend Alone Time 

    43:00 Rewire Your Relationships With Money

    45:35 There Is A Time For Every Season

    48:22 What Are Scarcity Scars?

    54:13 What Is A Great Friend?

    57:10 Don’t Confuse Kindness With Weakness

    01:00:33 Someone’s Victory Is Your Possibility

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    8 Steps for Overcoming Fear of Judgment & 3 Key Questions to Level Up the Next Three Months (90 Day Check In)

    8 Steps for Overcoming Fear of Judgment & 3 Key Questions to Level Up the Next Three Months (90 Day Check In)

    How have your goals changed since January? 

    What's your next step for improvement in the coming 90 days?

    This episode isn't just a conversation; it's an invitation to dive deep into your thoughts, feelings, and aspirations. Jay discusses the tough questions about identity, authenticity, and personal growth, guiding you through a process of self-discovery and transformation. You'll find insights and strategies to help you understand who you truly are and how to align your life with your deepest values. Whether you're looking to break free from the fear of judgment, understand your true desires, or simply get a clearer picture of where you're headed, this is the ultimate guide to your first 90-day check in.

    In this episode, you'll learn:

    How to overcome the fear of judgment

    How to be your true self

    How to handle external pressure

    If you're ready to challenge the status quo and redefine your sense of self, let's uncover the power of self-reflection and the beauty of becoming who you truly are. 

    With Love and Gratitude,

    Jay Shetty

    What We Discuss:

    00:00 Intro

    01:03 Why Live Your Years in Quarters

    03:11 The Hardest Challenge Today

    05:12 #1: What Is the Most Difficult Judgment You’re Afraid Of?

    07:00 #2: Who Would You Be If You Didn’t Worry What People Would Think About You?

    07:57 #3: What Would You Do If You Didn’t Worry About What People Think Of You?

    13:47 What Did You Use to Value You Don’t Value Anymore?

    16:58 Attachment and Aversion Are Two Sides of the Same Coin

    21:07 3 Questions You Need to Ask Yourself

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    Gary Brecka: 5 Ways Sitting is Shortening Your Lifespan & 2 Changes to Transform Your Daily Routine

    Gary Brecka: 5 Ways Sitting is Shortening Your Lifespan & 2 Changes to Transform Your Daily Routine

    Do you want to know why sitting for a long time shortens your lifespan?

    Do you want to know how to transform your daily routine?

    Today, Jay is joined by Gary Brecka, the Co-Founder and Chief Biologist of 10X Health and the founder of The Ultimate Human. With more than 20 years of Bio-Hacking and functional medicine experience, Gary has worked with and everyone from CEOs to professional athletes from the UFC, NFL, Professional Boxing, and entertainment industries. 

    What will you do when there is a possibility to predict how many more years you have left? Jay and Gary ponder on how our daily habits and emotional states impact our overall health and longevity, the dangers of a sedentary lifestyle and emphasizing on the need for regular movement, the benefits of deep, intentional breathing to enhance physical and mental well-being, and the complexities of mental health disorders, shedding light on common misunderstandings and the reasons why some supplements may not deliver their promised benefits. 

    In this interview, you'll learn:

    How to boost your emotional health with simple daily practices

    How to reduce health risks by moving more throughout the day

    How to deepen and lengthen your breaths for better health

    How to clear your mind by understanding and addressing brain fog

    This conversation is focused on empowering listeners with knowledge to make healthier lifestyle choices.

    With Love and Gratitude,

    Jay Shetty

    What We Discuss:

    00:00 Intro

    01:13 Predicting Your Lifespan

    09:17 What Is An Emotional State?

    12:54 Sedentary Lifestyle Is a Health Hazard

    15:37 Why You Need to Breath Deeper and Longer

    22:44 Why Mental Health Disorders are Often Misunderstood

    32:20 The Some Supplements Don’t Work

    36:54 The Science Behind Brain Fog

    44:30 Pre and Postpartum Care

    48:55 Folic Acid Mutation

    50:36 Deficiencies Are Passed Down, Not Diseases

    56:01 What’s Wrong with Tap Water?

    01:03:02 How Much Chlorine is in Your Water?

    01:06:41 Gary on Final Five 

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